You mean like the links Jerry posted that seem to debunk the belief that requiring ID in order to vote does not 'disenfranchise' voters?
On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: > > Eric > > I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with > these guys for years. > > I think it's important to speak up every so often but you are not > going to change anyone's mind here. You are wasting your breath. You > can go find the links that debunk everyone of their examples and they > will still maintain that foreigners are voting for some reason. People > tell them this and they believe it. It plays into their xenophobia and > conformity, and gives them an "other" to fear. Try talking Diebold to > them just for fun, or caging, or spoiled ballots. They just can't hear > it somehow and even if you get one of them to acknowledge a given set > of facts, it will have vanished from memory by morning. > > I suggested you that you take the energy you are wasting here to > rebuildthedream.com, where it possibly might do some good. > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Eric Roberts > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they would have >> more information already, it would give them greater access to our >> information. While I don't know of any specific examples, I am sure they >> exist. For someone that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem to >> like bigger government. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >> >> >> You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth >> Eric. >> >> I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people because they >> have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement about the 'illegal >> domestic wiretaps'. >> >> Scroll down...you will see it. >> >> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Who said because of having an id? I sure didn't. I said there was a >>> history of government spying on the people. Please read before >>> opening mouth Scott. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:08 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>> >>> >>> I fail to see how that is government spying on people becasue they >>> have a state issued ID. Try again. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Eric Roberts >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> You dont remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush >>>> administration that Obama has continued? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:10 AM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>> >>>> >>>> What recent history? >>>> >>>> Please show me one documented case where the gov't 'spied' on someone >>>> becasue they had a state issued ID. >>>> >>>> On the flip side: How it paranoia to want to verify someone is who >>>> they claim to be when they are casting a vote (arguably the single >>>> most important thing we, as citizens, can do)? >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Is it paranoid when recent history supports that? There has been >>>>> more government interference into our lives...more illegal >>>>> intrusions into our privacy ever since Bush took office than during >>>>> any time in our >>>> history. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 09:56 AM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hrm...what is more paranoid? Wanting to require people show ID in >>>>> order to vote, or thinking that having an ID means the government >>>>> can spy >>>> on you? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this >>>>>>> case because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to >>> principles." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's strictly a state's rights issue right now. That is why all >>>>>>> of the laws differ from each other. That is not to say that one >>>>>>> day it will not become a federal issue. I hope not. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Exactly, and many states (and their citizens) are concerned about >>>>>> the "slippery slope" when it comes to, say, the Census and/or >>>>>> registering your guns. However most people agree with public birth >>>>>> records (as well as marriage, residence of citizenship, etc). >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus states, countries, and cities should have a good record of who >>>>>> is possibly a voter. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you walk into a polling place to vote and claim to be Jerry >>>>>> Born-in-Barnesville they should be able to easily look you up. >>>>>> And, just to ensure you're not trying to impersonate Jerry, they >>>>>> might ask you for a recent energy or phone bill, the assumption >>>>>> being that they know you were both there and you'd really have to >>>>>> be special to trying to pull a fast one. They might even ask you >>>>>> to have a neighbor or 2 vouche for you in case you don't have such >> bill. >>>>>> >>>>>> But requiring an ID would therefore be unnecessary, punitive, and >>>>>> generally paranoid to the point of delusi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:339441 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
