You mean like the links Jerry posted that seem to debunk the belief
that requiring ID in order to vote does not 'disenfranchise' voters?

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Eric
>
> I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with
> these guys for years.
>
> I think it's important to speak up every so often but you are not
> going to change anyone's mind here. You are wasting your breath. You
> can go find the links that debunk everyone of their examples and they
> will still maintain that foreigners are voting for some reason. People
> tell them this and they believe it. It plays into their xenophobia and
> conformity, and gives them an "other" to fear. Try talking Diebold to
> them just for fun, or caging, or spoiled ballots. They just can't hear
> it somehow and even if you get one of them to acknowledge a given set
> of facts, it will have vanished from memory by morning.
>
> I suggested you that you take the energy you are wasting here to
> rebuildthedream.com, where it possibly might do some good.
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Eric Roberts
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they would have
>> more information already, it would give them greater access to our
>> information.  While I don't know of any specific examples, I am sure they
>> exist.  For someone that believes in a smaller government, you sure seem to
>> like bigger government.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM
>> To: cf-community
>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>>
>>
>> You should take your own advice about reading before opening your mouth
>> Eric.
>>
>> I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people because they
>> have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement about the 'illegal
>> domestic wiretaps'.
>>
>> Scroll down...you will see it.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Eric Roberts
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Who said because of having an id?  I sure didn't.  I said there was a
>>> history of government spying on the people.  Please read before
>>> opening mouth Scott.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:08 PM
>>> To: cf-community
>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>>>
>>>
>>> I fail to see how that is government spying on people becasue they
>>> have a state issued ID. Try again.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Eric Roberts
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You don’t remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush
>>>> administration that Obama has continued?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:10 AM
>>>> To: cf-community
>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What recent history?
>>>>
>>>> Please show me one documented case where the gov't 'spied' on someone
>>>> becasue they had a state issued ID.
>>>>
>>>> On the flip side: How it paranoia to want to verify someone is who
>>>> they claim to be when they are casting a vote (arguably the single
>>>> most important thing we, as citizens, can do)?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it paranoid when recent history supports that?  There has been
>>>>> more government interference into our lives...more illegal
>>>>> intrusions into our privacy ever since Bush took office than during
>>>>> any time in our
>>>> history.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 09:56 AM
>>>>> To: cf-community
>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hrm...what is more paranoid? Wanting to require people show ID in
>>>>> order to vote, or thinking that having an ID means the government
>>>>> can spy
>>>> on you?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this
>>>>>>> case because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to
>>> principles."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's strictly a state's rights issue right now.  That is why all
>>>>>>> of the laws differ from each other.  That is not to say that one
>>>>>>> day it will not become a federal issue.  I hope not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly, and many states (and their citizens) are concerned about
>>>>>> the "slippery slope" when it comes to, say, the Census and/or
>>>>>> registering your guns.  However most people agree with public birth
>>>>>> records (as well as marriage, residence of citizenship, etc).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus states, countries, and cities should have a good record of who
>>>>>> is possibly a voter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you walk into a polling place to vote and claim to be Jerry
>>>>>> Born-in-Barnesville they should be able to easily look you up.
>>>>>> And, just to ensure you're not trying to impersonate Jerry, they
>>>>>> might ask you for a recent energy or phone bill, the assumption
>>>>>> being that they know you were both there and you'd really have to
>>>>>> be special to trying to pull a fast one.  They might even ask you
>>>>>> to have a neighbor or 2 vouche for you in case you don't have such
>> bill.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But requiring an ID would therefore be unnecessary, punitive, and
>>>>>> generally paranoid to the point of delusi
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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