You, and others, are claiming that requiring ID to vote would 'disenfranchise' voters and lead to lower turnout. These numbers indicate you may actually be talking out of your ass.
Leave it to you to argue with actual data. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Eric Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > > Except that they didn't prove that the requiring ID had anything to do with > it. Just because 2 events happen at the same time doesn't mean that one > caused the other. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:24 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election > > > You mean like the links Jerry posted that seem to debunk the belief that > requiring ID in order to vote does not 'disenfranchise' voters? > > On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dana <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Eric >> >> I know you may not have seen much of me before but I have dealt with >> these guys for years. >> >> I think it's important to speak up every so often but you are not >> going to change anyone's mind here. You are wasting your breath. You >> can go find the links that debunk everyone of their examples and they >> will still maintain that foreigners are voting for some reason. People >> tell them this and they believe it. It plays into their xenophobia and >> conformity, and gives them an "other" to fear. Try talking Diebold to >> them just for fun, or caging, or spoiled ballots. They just can't hear >> it somehow and even if you get one of them to acknowledge a given set >> of facts, it will have vanished from memory by morning. >> >> I suggested you that you take the energy you are wasting here to >> rebuildthedream.com, where it possibly might do some good. >> >> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Eric Roberts >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> There is plenty of other areas that they have and given that they >>> would have more information already, it would give them greater >>> access to our information. While I don't know of any specific >>> examples, I am sure they exist. For someone that believes in a >>> smaller government, you sure seem to like bigger government. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:32 AM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>> >>> >>> You should take your own advice about reading before opening your >>> mouth Eric. >>> >>> I asked for documented proof of the government spying on people >>> because they have a state issued ID and you replied with a statement >>> about the 'illegal domestic wiretaps'. >>> >>> Scroll down...you will see it. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Eric Roberts >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Who said because of having an id? I sure didn't. I said there was >>>> a history of government spying on the people. Please read before >>>> opening mouth Scott. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:08 PM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>> >>>> >>>> I fail to see how that is government spying on people becasue they >>>> have a state issued ID. Try again. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:30 PM, Eric Roberts >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You dont remember the illegal domestic wiretaps under the Bush >>>>> administration that Obama has continued? >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 10:10 AM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What recent history? >>>>> >>>>> Please show me one documented case where the gov't 'spied' on >>>>> someone becasue they had a state issued ID. >>>>> >>>>> On the flip side: How it paranoia to want to verify someone is who >>>>> they claim to be when they are casting a vote (arguably the single >>>>> most important thing we, as citizens, can do)? >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it paranoid when recent history supports that? There has been >>>>>> more government interference into our lives...more illegal >>>>>> intrusions into our privacy ever since Bush took office than >>>>>> during any time in our >>>>> history. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 09:56 AM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: How states are rigging the 2012 election >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hrm...what is more paranoid? Wanting to require people show ID in >>>>>> order to vote, or thinking that having an ID means the government >>>>>> can spy >>>>> on you? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Gruss Gott <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jerry Barnes <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "A conservative would argue for AT LEAST state's rights in this >>>>>>>> case because, at the end of the day, it's about being true to >>>> principles." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's strictly a state's rights issue right now. That is why all >>>>>>>> of the laws differ from each other. That is not to say that one >>>>>>>> day it will not become a federal issue. I hope not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Exactly, and many states (and their citizens) are concerned about >>>>>>> the "slippery slope" when it comes to, say, the Census and/or >>>>>>> registering your guns. However most people agree with public >>>>>>> birth records (as well as marriage, residence of citizenship, etc). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thus states, countries, and cities should have a good record of >>>>>>> who is possibly a voter. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you walk into a polling place to vote and claim to be Jerry >>>>>>> Born-in-Barnesville they should be able to easily look you up. >>>>>>> And, just to ensure you're not trying to impersonate Jerry, they >>>>>>> might ask you for a recent energy or phone bill, the assumption >>>>>>> being that they know you were both there and you'd really have to >>>>>>> be special to trying to pull a fast one. They might even ask you >>>>>>> to have a neighbor or 2 vouche for you in case you don't have >>>>>>> such >>> bill. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But requiring an ID would therefore be unnecessary, punitive, and >>>>>>> generally paranoid to the point of delusi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:339461 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
