i sweat after i eat anything with Jalapeno's that's no cause for concern, right?
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 7:32 PM, Maureen <mamamaur...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If you have insulin resistance, as most obese people or those who tend > toward obesity do, the metabolic processes of the liver and the entire > insulin/sugar chemical chain behave very differently than in those who > do not have IR. Consumption of HFCS puts a tremendous burden on the > liver, and will cause blood sugar spikes. One sure indicator of this > is sweating after meals. > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I don't measure blood glucose, but I do feel the spikes (esp now that I >> rarely consume sugars). >> >> For post workouts, I typically use dextrose but I also use raw local honey; >> the honey gives me much more of a "rush" than dex. >> >> As to HFCS, I don't know as I haven't had any in years and I'm not willing >> to experiment : ) >> >> The odd thing is that, to my knowledge, fructose doesn't spike your blood >> sugar (granted HFCS is only half fructose) ... So interesting. >> >> Since I've stopped consuming sugars (mostly, I still have cake or something >> if it looks good and it's been awhile), everything else is sweet! >> >> E.g., raw broccoli is very sweet to me now. Black beans are sweet. A >> banana (I avoid tropical fruits though) is REALLY sweet. >> >> >> >> On Jan 31, 2012, at 6:05 AM, "Eric Roberts" >> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Couldn't tell you as it is not labeled as to what the mix is. All I know is >>> that if I consume something with HFCS, I have really large >>> spikes...something that does not occur with honey. Maybe there are other >>> factors involved as this was not a scientific study, but that has just been >>> my observation. I just try and avoid them when possible. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:29 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>> >>> >>> Huh, I wonder what the mechanism is there assuming its HFCS 55? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:58 PM, "Eric Roberts" >>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> That is just my observation backed up by blood glucose readings >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:57 PM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>> >>>> >>>> How could that be? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:10 AM, "Eric Roberts" >>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I do see a difference with honey. It also doesn't cause the massive >>>>> spike that even small amounts of HFCS cause. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:14 AM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You're right - here's the key point from wiki on table sugar: >>>>> >>>>> "In humans and other mammals, sucrose is broken down into its >>>>> constituent monosaccharides,glucose and fructose" >>>>> >>>>> HFCS can really be all sorts of mixes but lets say it's HFCS 55: that >>>>> means 55% fructose and 45% glucose. In other words your body doesnt >>>>> have to break it down first. This is also very similar to honey's >>>>> sugar profile. Here's the thing with fructose from wiki: >>>>> >>>>> "Fructose is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract by a different >>>>> mechanism than that for glucose. Glucose stimulates insulin release >>>>> from the isolated pancreas, but fructose does not. Fructose is >>>>> metabolized primarily in the liver." >>>>> >>>>> So if you want to experiment, try using honey in place of HFCS - in >>>>> general you should see no difference. They're the exact same. >>>>> >>>>> Bottom line IMO: stay away from all sugars especially fructose. It's >>>>> bad ju ju. Any experienced trainer will tell you the same thing. Or >>>> doctor: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html >>>>> >>>>> Fructose is likely a poison. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> nuh uh, been down that road and couldn't figure out why I kept >>>>>> gaining weight. Your mileage may vary and apparently does but the >>>>>> science is on Larry's side on this: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/ >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/18/FDGS24VK >>>>>> M >>>>>> H >>>>>> 1.DTL&ao=all >>>>>> >>>>>> oh and I just found this while I was looking those up, so all the >>>>>> more reason, I say. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR20 >>>>>> 0 >>>>>> 9 >>>>>> 012601831.html >>>>>> >>>>>> As for avoiding fruit, um, disagree there too. I can't really >>>>>> explain the difference between fructose in fruit and fructose in >>>>>> high fructose corn syrup, but apparently there is one, because >>>>>> eliminating processed food has very much made the difference for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dana >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don't worry about HFCS ... Any more than any other sweetener that is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's just like cane sugar, beet sugar, maple sugar, agave sugar, >>>>>>> etc >>>> etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They're all sugar: a mix of sucrose/fructose, usually about 50/50. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's the fructose (without fiber) that kills you. Literally. Stay >>>>>>> away from all forms of fructose except whole fruit and that only >>>>>>> sparingly, ideally berries or grapefruit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you want sweetener use stevia. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Eric Roberts" < >>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> HFCS are evil. I try to avoid them when I can, but it is pretty >>>>>>>> hard to avoid them completely. We even, when we drink soda, make >>>>>>>> our own using a Sodastream machine...their syrups have less sugar >>>>>>>> for the regular ones >>>>>>> (zero >>>>>>>> for the diet syrups) and do not contain HFCS. Most of the time we >>>>>>>> just drink Crystal Lite since that uses splenda rather than >>>>>>>> aspartame >>>>>>> (something >>>>>>>> that is also very evil). When I was first diagnosed with diabetes >>>>>>>> back >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> 2000, I stopped drinking regular sodas and lost 50lbs in a few >>>>>>>> months without doing anything else. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I generally make my sauce from scratch and I don't use meat in it. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> yet to hear a single critical word about it :-D >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:42 PM >>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to >>>>>>>> eat something that's not good for me, I can think of things I >>>>>>>> would enjoy >>>>>>> more >>>>>>>> than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were >>>>>>> starting >>>>>>>> to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know >>>>>>>> anything about that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said >>>>>>>>> that if you need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably >>>>>>>>> shouldn't be making it. If done right, it doesn't need anything >>>>>>>>> to sweeten it. So if you are buying premade sauce, if it is >>>>>>>>> sweetened, more than likely it has HFCS. I do watch the labels >>>>>>>>> when I know it is going to do any good. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM >>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting >>>>>>>>> processed foods go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells >>>>>>>>> isn't necessarily organic, and unless you read every single label >>>>>>>>> and look up every ingredient...I just noticed High fructose corn >>>>>>>>> syrup in the tomato sauce I was using. I mean, tomato sauce? Why >>>>>>>>> sweeten that? The next step I want to take is buying at the >>>>>>>>> farmer's market, and even then I may ask some questions. Living >>>>>>>>> in Santa Cruz County taught me that even something as apparently >>>>>>>>> healthy as fresh strawberries has hidden gotchas. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. >>>>>>>>>> Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy >>>>>>>>>> ingredients...instead we use chemicals that are harmful to us >>>>>>>>>> and tend to increase obesity. In the lower class and even parts >>>>>>>>>> of the middle class...i would say that yes, we are powerless to >>>>>>>>>> stop >>>> obesity. >>>>>>>>>> Back when we had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner with fresh >>>>>>>>>> ingredients, it was a >>>>>>>> lot easier. >>>>>>>>>> Now that most households are 2 income households, we are forced >>>>>>>>>> to eat more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. >>>>>>>>>> These foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high >>>>>>>>>> fructose corn syrup and other products that lead to faster weight >>> gain. >>>>>>>>>> These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy >>>>>>>>>> foods are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just >>>>>>>>>> can't afford it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all >>>>>>>>>> the time, but I would go broke real fast and I make pretty >>>>>>>>>> decent money. Even when you have ideal conditions and one can >>>>>>>>>> eat relatively healthy and exercise, it is difficult to maintain >>>>>>>>>> a good weight. Our lifestyle does not match our evolution. We >>>>>>>>>> were designed to have very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, >>>>>>>>>> especially for those of us in non-laborer positions, we don't >>>>>>>>>> have the time to get the exercise we >>>>>>>> really need. >>>>>>>>>> So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the situation. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at >>>>>>>>>> a proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" >>>>>>>>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot >>>>>>>>>>> of stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in >>>>> obesity. >>>>>>>>>>> Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you >>>>>>>>>>> gain weight. Other factors also get into it...things like >>>>>>>>>>> thyroid disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take >>>>>>>>>>> to combat these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have >>>>> diabetes. >>>>>>>>>>> Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. >>>>>>>>>>> Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher >>>>>>>>>>> insulin levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat >>>>>>>>>>> since it thinks that, because of the elevated insulin levels, >>>>>>>>>>> that there is an abundance of glucose in your blood. >>>>>>>>>>> Hypothyroidism, which is pretty common, also adds to weight >>>>>>>>>>> gain as it lowers your >>>>>>>> metabolism. >>>>>>>>>>> Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system will >>>>>>>>>>> cause weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the >>>>>>>>>>> contaminats in our foods, like mercury and heavy >>>>>>>>>> metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you >>>>>>>>>> may not lose weight. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in >>>>>>>>>>> North America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? >>>>>>>>>>> Is it a significant enough number to disregard a common sense >>>>>>>>>>> approach of eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or >>>>>>>>>>> processed food) and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily >>>>>>>>>>> apologize for insinuating that the epidemic of obesity is >>>>>>>>>>> largely >>>>>>>> self-inflicted and preventable. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of >>>>>>>>>>>> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do >>>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>>> 99.9% of obese people. :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sufficiently >>>>>>>>>>>>> due >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to disabilities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is all I am saying. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> some other >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining more but >>>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>> much have >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weight and keep >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't eat all fruit >>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doctors, I got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just >>> avoid fat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much >>>>>>>>>>> about the fat. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself >>>>>>>>>>>>>> crazy >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol >>>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers than >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on this list ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> making excuses, but this isn't really about me. I have more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weight to lose and am pretty sure that for me the >>>>>>>>>>>>> key >>>>>>>>>>>>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's the case >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs >>>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four >>>>>>>>>>>>>> times a week >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who have thyroid problems and people who just don't >>> exercise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> One size does not >>>>>>>>>>>>> fit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all, is what I am saying. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other two legs of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346183 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
