Couldn't tell you as it is not labeled as to what the mix is. All I know is that if I consume something with HFCS, I have really large spikes...something that does not occur with honey. Maybe there are other factors involved as this was not a scientific study, but that has just been my observation. I just try and avoid them when possible.
-----Original Message----- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:29 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obesity in Children Huh, I wonder what the mechanism is there assuming its HFCS 55? On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:58 PM, "Eric Roberts" <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > That is just my observation backed up by blood glucose readings > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:57 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > How could that be? > > > > On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:10 AM, "Eric Roberts" > <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> >> I do see a difference with honey. It also doesn't cause the massive >> spike that even small amounts of HFCS cause. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:14 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >> >> >> You're right - here's the key point from wiki on table sugar: >> >> "In humans and other mammals, sucrose is broken down into its >> constituent monosaccharides,glucose and fructose" >> >> HFCS can really be all sorts of mixes but lets say it's HFCS 55: that >> means 55% fructose and 45% glucose. In other words your body doesnt >> have to break it down first. This is also very similar to honey's >> sugar profile. Here's the thing with fructose from wiki: >> >> "Fructose is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract by a different >> mechanism than that for glucose. Glucose stimulates insulin release >> from the isolated pancreas, but fructose does not. Fructose is >> metabolized primarily in the liver." >> >> So if you want to experiment, try using honey in place of HFCS - in >> general you should see no difference. They're the exact same. >> >> Bottom line IMO: stay away from all sugars especially fructose. It's >> bad ju ju. Any experienced trainer will tell you the same thing. Or > doctor: >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html >> >> Fructose is likely a poison. >> >> >> On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> nuh uh, been down that road and couldn't figure out why I kept >>> gaining weight. Your mileage may vary and apparently does but the >>> science is on Larry's side on this: >>> >>> http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/ >>> >>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/18/FDGS24VK >>> M >>> H >>> 1.DTL&ao=all >>> >>> oh and I just found this while I was looking those up, so all the >>> more reason, I say. >>> >>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR20 >>> 0 >>> 9 >>> 012601831.html >>> >>> As for avoiding fruit, um, disagree there too. I can't really >>> explain the difference between fructose in fruit and fructose in >>> high fructose corn syrup, but apparently there is one, because >>> eliminating processed food has very much made the difference for me. >>> >>> Dana >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Don't worry about HFCS ... Any more than any other sweetener that is. >>>> >>>> It's just like cane sugar, beet sugar, maple sugar, agave sugar, >>>> etc > etc. >>>> >>>> They're all sugar: a mix of sucrose/fructose, usually about 50/50. >>>> >>>> It's the fructose (without fiber) that kills you. Literally. Stay >>>> away from all forms of fructose except whole fruit and that only >>>> sparingly, ideally berries or grapefruit. >>>> >>>> If you want sweetener use stevia. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Eric Roberts" < >>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> HFCS are evil. I try to avoid them when I can, but it is pretty >>>>> hard to avoid them completely. We even, when we drink soda, make >>>>> our own using a Sodastream machine...their syrups have less sugar >>>>> for the regular ones >>>> (zero >>>>> for the diet syrups) and do not contain HFCS. Most of the time we >>>>> just drink Crystal Lite since that uses splenda rather than >>>>> aspartame >>>> (something >>>>> that is also very evil). When I was first diagnosed with diabetes >>>>> back >>>> in >>>>> 2000, I stopped drinking regular sodas and lost 50lbs in a few >>>>> months without doing anything else. >>>>> >>>>> I generally make my sauce from scratch and I don't use meat in it. >>>>> I >>>> have >>>>> yet to hear a single critical word about it :-D >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:42 PM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to >>>>> eat something that's not good for me, I can think of things I >>>>> would enjoy >>>> more >>>>> than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were >>>> starting >>>>> to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know >>>>> anything about that? >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said >>>>>> that if you need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably >>>>>> shouldn't be making it. If done right, it doesn't need anything >>>>>> to sweeten it. So if you are buying premade sauce, if it is >>>>>> sweetened, more than likely it has HFCS. I do watch the labels >>>>>> when I know it is going to do any good. >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting >>>>>> processed foods go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells >>>>>> isn't necessarily organic, and unless you read every single label >>>>>> and look up every ingredient...I just noticed High fructose corn >>>>>> syrup in the tomato sauce I was using. I mean, tomato sauce? Why >>>>>> sweeten that? The next step I want to take is buying at the >>>>>> farmer's market, and even then I may ask some questions. Living >>>>>> in Santa Cruz County taught me that even something as apparently >>>>>> healthy as fresh strawberries has hidden gotchas. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. >>>>>>> Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy >>>>>>> ingredients...instead we use chemicals that are harmful to us >>>>>>> and tend to increase obesity. In the lower class and even parts >>>>>>> of the middle class...i would say that yes, we are powerless to >>>>>>> stop > obesity. >>>>>>> Back when we had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner with fresh >>>>>>> ingredients, it was a >>>>> lot easier. >>>>>>> Now that most households are 2 income households, we are forced >>>>>>> to eat more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. >>>>>>> These foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high >>>>>>> fructose corn syrup and other products that lead to faster weight gain. >>>>>>> These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy >>>>>>> foods are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just >>>>>>> can't afford it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all >>>>>>> the time, but I would go broke real fast and I make pretty >>>>>>> decent money. Even when you have ideal conditions and one can >>>>>>> eat relatively healthy and exercise, it is difficult to maintain >>>>>>> a good weight. Our lifestyle does not match our evolution. We >>>>>>> were designed to have very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, >>>>>>> especially for those of us in non-laborer positions, we don't >>>>>>> have the time to get the exercise we >>>>> really need. >>>>>>> So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the situation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM >>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at >>>>>>> a proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" >>>>>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot >>>>>>>> of stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in >> obesity. >>>>>>>> Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you >>>>>>>> gain weight. Other factors also get into it...things like >>>>>>>> thyroid disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take >>>>>>>> to combat these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have >> diabetes. >>>>>>>> Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. >>>>>>>> Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher >>>>>>>> insulin levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat >>>>>>>> since it thinks that, because of the elevated insulin levels, >>>>>>>> that there is an abundance of glucose in your blood. >>>>>>>> Hypothyroidism, which is pretty common, also adds to weight >>>>>>>> gain as it lowers your >>>>> metabolism. >>>>>>>> Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system will >>>>>>>> cause weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the >>>>>>>> contaminats in our foods, like mercury and heavy >>>>>>> metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you >>>>>>> may not lose weight. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM >>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in >>>>>>>> North America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? >>>>>>>> Is it a significant enough number to disregard a common sense >>>>>>>> approach of eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or >>>>>>>> processed food) and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily >>>>>>>> apologize for insinuating that the epidemic of obesity is >>>>>>>> largely >>>>> self-inflicted and preventable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of >>>>>>>>> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do >>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> 99.9% of obese people. :) >>>>>>>>>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise >>>>>>>>>>> sufficiently >>>>>>>>>> due >>>>>>>>>>> to disabilities. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM >>>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, >>>>>>>>>>> is all I am saying. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for >>>>>>>>>>> some other >>>>>>>>>> reason, >>>>>>>>>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from >>>>>>>>>>> gaining more but >>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty >>>>>>>>>>> much have >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant >>>>>>>>>>> weight and keep >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but >>>>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. >>>>>>>>>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you >>>>>>>>>>> can't eat all fruit >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked >>>>>>>>>>> doctors, I got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just avoid fat. >>>>>>>>>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry >>>>>>>>>>> too much >>>>>>>> about the fat. >>>>>>>>>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself >>>>>>>>>>> crazy >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol >>>>>>>>>>> numbers than >>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>> on this list ;) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, >>>>>>>>>>> because I didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was >>>>>>>>>>> making excuses, but this isn't really about me. I have more >>>>>>>>>>> weight to lose and am pretty sure that for me the >>>>>>>>>> key >>>>>>>>>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think >>>>>>>>>>> that's the case >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs >>>>>>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four >>>>>>>>>>> times a week >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain >>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are >>>>>>>>>>> people who have thyroid problems and people who just don't exercise. >>>>>>>>>>> One size does not >>>>>>>>>> fit >>>>>>>>>>> all, is what I am saying. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in >>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> The other two legs of the >>>>>>>>>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346161 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
