If you have insulin resistance, as most obese people or those who tend toward obesity do, the metabolic processes of the liver and the entire insulin/sugar chemical chain behave very differently than in those who do not have IR. Consumption of HFCS puts a tremendous burden on the liver, and will cause blood sugar spikes. One sure indicator of this is sweating after meals.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't measure blood glucose, but I do feel the spikes (esp now that I > rarely consume sugars). > > For post workouts, I typically use dextrose but I also use raw local honey; > the honey gives me much more of a "rush" than dex. > > As to HFCS, I don't know as I haven't had any in years and I'm not willing to > experiment : ) > > The odd thing is that, to my knowledge, fructose doesn't spike your blood > sugar (granted HFCS is only half fructose) ... So interesting. > > Since I've stopped consuming sugars (mostly, I still have cake or something > if it looks good and it's been awhile), everything else is sweet! > > E.g., raw broccoli is very sweet to me now. Black beans are sweet. A banana > (I avoid tropical fruits though) is REALLY sweet. > > > > On Jan 31, 2012, at 6:05 AM, "Eric Roberts" <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> > wrote: > >> >> Couldn't tell you as it is not labeled as to what the mix is. All I know is >> that if I consume something with HFCS, I have really large >> spikes...something that does not occur with honey. Maybe there are other >> factors involved as this was not a scientific study, but that has just been >> my observation. I just try and avoid them when possible. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:29 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >> >> >> Huh, I wonder what the mechanism is there assuming its HFCS 55? >> >> >> >> On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:58 PM, "Eric Roberts" >> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> That is just my observation backed up by blood glucose readings >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:57 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>> >>> >>> How could that be? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:10 AM, "Eric Roberts" >>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I do see a difference with honey. It also doesn't cause the massive >>>> spike that even small amounts of HFCS cause. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:14 AM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>> >>>> >>>> You're right - here's the key point from wiki on table sugar: >>>> >>>> "In humans and other mammals, sucrose is broken down into its >>>> constituent monosaccharides,glucose and fructose" >>>> >>>> HFCS can really be all sorts of mixes but lets say it's HFCS 55: that >>>> means 55% fructose and 45% glucose. In other words your body doesnt >>>> have to break it down first. This is also very similar to honey's >>>> sugar profile. Here's the thing with fructose from wiki: >>>> >>>> "Fructose is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract by a different >>>> mechanism than that for glucose. Glucose stimulates insulin release >>>> from the isolated pancreas, but fructose does not. Fructose is >>>> metabolized primarily in the liver." >>>> >>>> So if you want to experiment, try using honey in place of HFCS - in >>>> general you should see no difference. They're the exact same. >>>> >>>> Bottom line IMO: stay away from all sugars especially fructose. It's >>>> bad ju ju. Any experienced trainer will tell you the same thing. Or >>> doctor: >>>> >>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html >>>> >>>> Fructose is likely a poison. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> nuh uh, been down that road and couldn't figure out why I kept >>>>> gaining weight. Your mileage may vary and apparently does but the >>>>> science is on Larry's side on this: >>>>> >>>>> http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/ >>>>> >>>>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/18/FDGS24VK >>>>> M >>>>> H >>>>> 1.DTL&ao=all >>>>> >>>>> oh and I just found this while I was looking those up, so all the >>>>> more reason, I say. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR20 >>>>> 0 >>>>> 9 >>>>> 012601831.html >>>>> >>>>> As for avoiding fruit, um, disagree there too. I can't really >>>>> explain the difference between fructose in fruit and fructose in >>>>> high fructose corn syrup, but apparently there is one, because >>>>> eliminating processed food has very much made the difference for me. >>>>> >>>>> Dana >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't worry about HFCS ... Any more than any other sweetener that is. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's just like cane sugar, beet sugar, maple sugar, agave sugar, >>>>>> etc >>> etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> They're all sugar: a mix of sucrose/fructose, usually about 50/50. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the fructose (without fiber) that kills you. Literally. Stay >>>>>> away from all forms of fructose except whole fruit and that only >>>>>> sparingly, ideally berries or grapefruit. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want sweetener use stevia. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Eric Roberts" < >>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HFCS are evil. I try to avoid them when I can, but it is pretty >>>>>>> hard to avoid them completely. We even, when we drink soda, make >>>>>>> our own using a Sodastream machine...their syrups have less sugar >>>>>>> for the regular ones >>>>>> (zero >>>>>>> for the diet syrups) and do not contain HFCS. Most of the time we >>>>>>> just drink Crystal Lite since that uses splenda rather than >>>>>>> aspartame >>>>>> (something >>>>>>> that is also very evil). When I was first diagnosed with diabetes >>>>>>> back >>>>>> in >>>>>>> 2000, I stopped drinking regular sodas and lost 50lbs in a few >>>>>>> months without doing anything else. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I generally make my sauce from scratch and I don't use meat in it. >>>>>>> I >>>>>> have >>>>>>> yet to hear a single critical word about it :-D >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:42 PM >>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to >>>>>>> eat something that's not good for me, I can think of things I >>>>>>> would enjoy >>>>>> more >>>>>>> than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were >>>>>> starting >>>>>>> to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know >>>>>>> anything about that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said >>>>>>>> that if you need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably >>>>>>>> shouldn't be making it. If done right, it doesn't need anything >>>>>>>> to sweeten it. So if you are buying premade sauce, if it is >>>>>>>> sweetened, more than likely it has HFCS. I do watch the labels >>>>>>>> when I know it is going to do any good. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM >>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting >>>>>>>> processed foods go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells >>>>>>>> isn't necessarily organic, and unless you read every single label >>>>>>>> and look up every ingredient...I just noticed High fructose corn >>>>>>>> syrup in the tomato sauce I was using. I mean, tomato sauce? Why >>>>>>>> sweeten that? The next step I want to take is buying at the >>>>>>>> farmer's market, and even then I may ask some questions. Living >>>>>>>> in Santa Cruz County taught me that even something as apparently >>>>>>>> healthy as fresh strawberries has hidden gotchas. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. >>>>>>>>> Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy >>>>>>>>> ingredients...instead we use chemicals that are harmful to us >>>>>>>>> and tend to increase obesity. In the lower class and even parts >>>>>>>>> of the middle class...i would say that yes, we are powerless to >>>>>>>>> stop >>> obesity. >>>>>>>>> Back when we had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner with fresh >>>>>>>>> ingredients, it was a >>>>>>> lot easier. >>>>>>>>> Now that most households are 2 income households, we are forced >>>>>>>>> to eat more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. >>>>>>>>> These foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high >>>>>>>>> fructose corn syrup and other products that lead to faster weight >> gain. >>>>>>>>> These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy >>>>>>>>> foods are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just >>>>>>>>> can't afford it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all >>>>>>>>> the time, but I would go broke real fast and I make pretty >>>>>>>>> decent money. Even when you have ideal conditions and one can >>>>>>>>> eat relatively healthy and exercise, it is difficult to maintain >>>>>>>>> a good weight. Our lifestyle does not match our evolution. We >>>>>>>>> were designed to have very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, >>>>>>>>> especially for those of us in non-laborer positions, we don't >>>>>>>>> have the time to get the exercise we >>>>>>> really need. >>>>>>>>> So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the situation. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM >>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at >>>>>>>>> a proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" >>>>>>>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot >>>>>>>>>> of stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in >>>> obesity. >>>>>>>>>> Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you >>>>>>>>>> gain weight. Other factors also get into it...things like >>>>>>>>>> thyroid disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take >>>>>>>>>> to combat these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have >>>> diabetes. >>>>>>>>>> Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. >>>>>>>>>> Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher >>>>>>>>>> insulin levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat >>>>>>>>>> since it thinks that, because of the elevated insulin levels, >>>>>>>>>> that there is an abundance of glucose in your blood. >>>>>>>>>> Hypothyroidism, which is pretty common, also adds to weight >>>>>>>>>> gain as it lowers your >>>>>>> metabolism. >>>>>>>>>> Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system will >>>>>>>>>> cause weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the >>>>>>>>>> contaminats in our foods, like mercury and heavy >>>>>>>>> metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you >>>>>>>>> may not lose weight. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in >>>>>>>>>> North America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? >>>>>>>>>> Is it a significant enough number to disregard a common sense >>>>>>>>>> approach of eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or >>>>>>>>>> processed food) and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily >>>>>>>>>> apologize for insinuating that the epidemic of obesity is >>>>>>>>>> largely >>>>>>> self-inflicted and preventable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of >>>>>>>>>>> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do >>>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>>> 99.9% of obese people. :) >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise >>>>>>>>>>>>> sufficiently >>>>>>>>>>>> due >>>>>>>>>>>>> to disabilities. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, >>>>>>>>>>>>> is all I am saying. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for >>>>>>>>>>>>> some other >>>>>>>>>>>> reason, >>>>>>>>>>>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from >>>>>>>>>>>>> gaining more but >>>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>> much have >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant >>>>>>>>>>>>> weight and keep >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you >>>>>>>>>>>>> can't eat all fruit >>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked >>>>>>>>>>>>> doctors, I got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just >> avoid fat. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry >>>>>>>>>>>>> too much >>>>>>>>>> about the fat. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself >>>>>>>>>>>>> crazy >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>>>>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol >>>>>>>>>>>>> numbers than >>>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>>>> on this list ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, >>>>>>>>>>>>> because I didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was >>>>>>>>>>>>> making excuses, but this isn't really about me. I have more >>>>>>>>>>>>> weight to lose and am pretty sure that for me the >>>>>>>>>>>> key >>>>>>>>>>>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think >>>>>>>>>>>>> that's the case >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs >>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four >>>>>>>>>>>>> times a week >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain >>>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>>>>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are >>>>>>>>>>>>> people who have thyroid problems and people who just don't >> exercise. >>>>>>>>>>>>> One size does not >>>>>>>>>>>> fit >>>>>>>>>>>>> all, is what I am saying. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other two legs of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346173 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
