How could that be?
On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:10 AM, "Eric Roberts" <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I do see a difference with honey. It also doesn't cause the massive spike > that even small amounts of HFCS cause. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:14 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > You're right - here's the key point from wiki on table sugar: > > "In humans and other mammals, sucrose is broken down into its constituent > monosaccharides,glucose and fructose" > > HFCS can really be all sorts of mixes but lets say it's HFCS 55: that means > 55% fructose and 45% glucose. In other words your body doesnt have to break > it down first. This is also very similar to honey's sugar profile. Here's > the thing with fructose from wiki: > > "Fructose is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract by a different > mechanism than that for glucose. Glucose stimulates insulin release from the > isolated pancreas, but fructose does not. Fructose is metabolized primarily > in the liver." > > So if you want to experiment, try using honey in place of HFCS - in general > you should see no difference. They're the exact same. > > Bottom line IMO: stay away from all sugars especially fructose. It's bad ju > ju. Any experienced trainer will tell you the same thing. Or doctor: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html > > Fructose is likely a poison. > > > On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> nuh uh, been down that road and couldn't figure out why I kept gaining >> weight. Your mileage may vary and apparently does but the science is >> on Larry's side on this: >> >> http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/ >> >> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/18/FDGS24VKMH >> 1.DTL&ao=all >> >> oh and I just found this while I was looking those up, so all the more >> reason, I say. >> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009 >> 012601831.html >> >> As for avoiding fruit, um, disagree there too. I can't really explain >> the difference between fructose in fruit and fructose in high fructose >> corn syrup, but apparently there is one, because eliminating processed >> food has very much made the difference for me. >> >> Dana >> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Don't worry about HFCS ... Any more than any other sweetener that is. >>> >>> It's just like cane sugar, beet sugar, maple sugar, agave sugar, etc etc. >>> >>> They're all sugar: a mix of sucrose/fructose, usually about 50/50. >>> >>> It's the fructose (without fiber) that kills you. Literally. Stay >>> away from all forms of fructose except whole fruit and that only >>> sparingly, ideally berries or grapefruit. >>> >>> If you want sweetener use stevia. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Eric Roberts" < >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> HFCS are evil. I try to avoid them when I can, but it is pretty >>>> hard to avoid them completely. We even, when we drink soda, make >>>> our own using a Sodastream machine...their syrups have less sugar >>>> for the regular ones >>> (zero >>>> for the diet syrups) and do not contain HFCS. Most of the time we >>>> just drink Crystal Lite since that uses splenda rather than >>>> aspartame >>> (something >>>> that is also very evil). When I was first diagnosed with diabetes >>>> back >>> in >>>> 2000, I stopped drinking regular sodas and lost 50lbs in a few >>>> months without doing anything else. >>>> >>>> I generally make my sauce from scratch and I don't use meat in it. >>>> I >>> have >>>> yet to hear a single critical word about it :-D >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:42 PM >>>> To: cf-community >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>> >>>> >>>> yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to >>>> eat something that's not good for me, I can think of things I would >>>> enjoy >>> more >>>> than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were >>> starting >>>> to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know >>>> anything about that? >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said >>>>> that if you need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably >>>>> shouldn't be making it. If done right, it doesn't need anything to >>>>> sweeten it. So if you are buying premade sauce, if it is >>>>> sweetened, more than likely it has HFCS. I do watch the labels >>>>> when I know it is going to do any good. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM >>>>> To: cf-community >>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting >>>>> processed foods go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells >>>>> isn't necessarily organic, and unless you read every single label >>>>> and look up every ingredient...I just noticed High fructose corn >>>>> syrup in the tomato sauce I was using. I mean, tomato sauce? Why >>>>> sweeten that? The next step I want to take is buying at the >>>>> farmer's market, and even then I may ask some questions. Living in >>>>> Santa Cruz County taught me that even something as apparently >>>>> healthy as fresh strawberries has hidden gotchas. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. >>>>>> Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy ingredients...instead >>>>>> we use chemicals that are harmful to us and tend to increase >>>>>> obesity. In the lower class and even parts of the middle >>>>>> class...i would say that yes, we are powerless to stop obesity. >>>>>> Back when we had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner with fresh >>>>>> ingredients, it was a >>>> lot easier. >>>>>> Now that most households are 2 income households, we are forced to >>>>>> eat more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. These >>>>>> foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high fructose corn >>>>>> syrup and other products that lead to faster weight gain. >>>>>> These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy >>>>>> foods are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just >>>>>> can't afford it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all >>>>>> the time, but I would go broke real fast and I make pretty decent >>>>>> money. Even when you have ideal conditions and one can eat >>>>>> relatively healthy and exercise, it is difficult to maintain a >>>>>> good weight. Our lifestyle does not match our evolution. We were >>>>>> designed to have very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, >>>>>> especially for those of us in non-laborer positions, we don't have >>>>>> the time to get the exercise we >>>> really need. >>>>>> So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the situation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at a >>>>>> proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" >>>>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot >>>>>>> of stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in > obesity. >>>>>>> Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you >>>>>>> gain weight. Other factors also get into it...things like >>>>>>> thyroid disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take >>>>>>> to combat these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have > diabetes. >>>>>>> Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. >>>>>>> Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher >>>>>>> insulin levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat >>>>>>> since it thinks that, because of the elevated insulin levels, >>>>>>> that there is an abundance of glucose in your blood. >>>>>>> Hypothyroidism, which is pretty common, also adds to weight gain >>>>>>> as it lowers your >>>> metabolism. >>>>>>> Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system will >>>>>>> cause weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the >>>>>>> contaminats in our foods, like mercury and heavy >>>>>> metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you may >>>>>> not lose weight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM >>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in >>>>>>> North America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? >>>>>>> Is it a significant enough number to disregard a common sense >>>>>>> approach of eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or >>>>>>> processed food) and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily >>>>>>> apologize for insinuating that the epidemic of obesity is largely >>>> self-inflicted and preventable. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of >>>>>>>> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do >>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> 99.9% of obese people. :) >>>>>>>>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise >>>>>>>>>> sufficiently >>>>>>>>> due >>>>>>>>>> to disabilities. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM >>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, is >>>>>>>>>> all I am saying. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for some >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>> reason, >>>>>>>>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from gaining >>>>>>>>>> more but >>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty >>>>>>>>>> much have >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant weight >>>>>>>>>> and keep >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but I >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. >>>>>>>>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you can't >>>>>>>>>> eat all fruit >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked doctors, >>>>>>>>>> I got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just avoid fat. >>>>>>>>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry >>>>>>>>>> too much >>>>>>> about the fat. >>>>>>>>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself >>>>>>>>>> crazy >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol >>>>>>>>>> numbers than >>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>> on this list ;) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, because >>>>>>>>>> I didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was making >>>>>>>>>> excuses, but this isn't really about me. I have more weight to >>>>>>>>>> lose and am pretty sure that for me the >>>>>>>>> key >>>>>>>>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think that's >>>>>>>>>> the case >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs >>>>>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four times >>>>>>>>>> a week >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain >>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are people >>>>>>>>>> who have thyroid problems and people who just don't exercise. >>>>>>>>>> One size does not >>>>>>>>> fit >>>>>>>>>> all, is what I am saying. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> The other two legs of the >>>>>>>>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. >>>>>>>>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346141 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
