I don't measure blood glucose, but I do feel the spikes (esp now that I rarely consume sugars).
For post workouts, I typically use dextrose but I also use raw local honey; the honey gives me much more of a "rush" than dex. As to HFCS, I don't know as I haven't had any in years and I'm not willing to experiment : ) The odd thing is that, to my knowledge, fructose doesn't spike your blood sugar (granted HFCS is only half fructose) ... So interesting. Since I've stopped consuming sugars (mostly, I still have cake or something if it looks good and it's been awhile), everything else is sweet! E.g., raw broccoli is very sweet to me now. Black beans are sweet. A banana (I avoid tropical fruits though) is REALLY sweet. On Jan 31, 2012, at 6:05 AM, "Eric Roberts" <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Couldn't tell you as it is not labeled as to what the mix is. All I know is > that if I consume something with HFCS, I have really large > spikes...something that does not occur with honey. Maybe there are other > factors involved as this was not a scientific study, but that has just been > my observation. I just try and avoid them when possible. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:29 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > Huh, I wonder what the mechanism is there assuming its HFCS 55? > > > > On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:58 PM, "Eric Roberts" > <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> >> That is just my observation backed up by blood glucose readings >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 12:57 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >> >> >> How could that be? >> >> >> >> On Jan 30, 2012, at 6:10 AM, "Eric Roberts" >> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> I do see a difference with honey. It also doesn't cause the massive >>> spike that even small amounts of HFCS cause. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 1:14 AM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>> >>> >>> You're right - here's the key point from wiki on table sugar: >>> >>> "In humans and other mammals, sucrose is broken down into its >>> constituent monosaccharides,glucose and fructose" >>> >>> HFCS can really be all sorts of mixes but lets say it's HFCS 55: that >>> means 55% fructose and 45% glucose. In other words your body doesnt >>> have to break it down first. This is also very similar to honey's >>> sugar profile. Here's the thing with fructose from wiki: >>> >>> "Fructose is absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract by a different >>> mechanism than that for glucose. Glucose stimulates insulin release >>> from the isolated pancreas, but fructose does not. Fructose is >>> metabolized primarily in the liver." >>> >>> So if you want to experiment, try using honey in place of HFCS - in >>> general you should see no difference. They're the exact same. >>> >>> Bottom line IMO: stay away from all sugars especially fructose. It's >>> bad ju ju. Any experienced trainer will tell you the same thing. Or >> doctor: >>> >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/magazine/mag-17Sugar-t.html >>> >>> Fructose is likely a poison. >>> >>> >>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 9:54 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> nuh uh, been down that road and couldn't figure out why I kept >>>> gaining weight. Your mileage may vary and apparently does but the >>>> science is on Larry's side on this: >>>> >>>> http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S26/91/22K07/ >>>> >>>> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/02/18/FDGS24VK >>>> M >>>> H >>>> 1.DTL&ao=all >>>> >>>> oh and I just found this while I was looking those up, so all the >>>> more reason, I say. >>>> >>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR20 >>>> 0 >>>> 9 >>>> 012601831.html >>>> >>>> As for avoiding fruit, um, disagree there too. I can't really >>>> explain the difference between fructose in fruit and fructose in >>>> high fructose corn syrup, but apparently there is one, because >>>> eliminating processed food has very much made the difference for me. >>>> >>>> Dana >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Gruss Gott <grussg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Don't worry about HFCS ... Any more than any other sweetener that is. >>>>> >>>>> It's just like cane sugar, beet sugar, maple sugar, agave sugar, >>>>> etc >> etc. >>>>> >>>>> They're all sugar: a mix of sucrose/fructose, usually about 50/50. >>>>> >>>>> It's the fructose (without fiber) that kills you. Literally. Stay >>>>> away from all forms of fructose except whole fruit and that only >>>>> sparingly, ideally berries or grapefruit. >>>>> >>>>> If you want sweetener use stevia. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 29, 2012, at 5:08 PM, "Eric Roberts" < >>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> HFCS are evil. I try to avoid them when I can, but it is pretty >>>>>> hard to avoid them completely. We even, when we drink soda, make >>>>>> our own using a Sodastream machine...their syrups have less sugar >>>>>> for the regular ones >>>>> (zero >>>>>> for the diet syrups) and do not contain HFCS. Most of the time we >>>>>> just drink Crystal Lite since that uses splenda rather than >>>>>> aspartame >>>>> (something >>>>>> that is also very evil). When I was first diagnosed with diabetes >>>>>> back >>>>> in >>>>>> 2000, I stopped drinking regular sodas and lost 50lbs in a few >>>>>> months without doing anything else. >>>>>> >>>>>> I generally make my sauce from scratch and I don't use meat in it. >>>>>> I >>>>> have >>>>>> yet to hear a single critical word about it :-D >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:42 PM >>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to >>>>>> eat something that's not good for me, I can think of things I >>>>>> would enjoy >>>>> more >>>>>> than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were >>>>> starting >>>>>> to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know >>>>>> anything about that? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said >>>>>>> that if you need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably >>>>>>> shouldn't be making it. If done right, it doesn't need anything >>>>>>> to sweeten it. So if you are buying premade sauce, if it is >>>>>>> sweetened, more than likely it has HFCS. I do watch the labels >>>>>>> when I know it is going to do any good. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM >>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting >>>>>>> processed foods go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells >>>>>>> isn't necessarily organic, and unless you read every single label >>>>>>> and look up every ingredient...I just noticed High fructose corn >>>>>>> syrup in the tomato sauce I was using. I mean, tomato sauce? Why >>>>>>> sweeten that? The next step I want to take is buying at the >>>>>>> farmer's market, and even then I may ask some questions. Living >>>>>>> in Santa Cruz County taught me that even something as apparently >>>>>>> healthy as fresh strawberries has hidden gotchas. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. >>>>>>>> Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy >>>>>>>> ingredients...instead we use chemicals that are harmful to us >>>>>>>> and tend to increase obesity. In the lower class and even parts >>>>>>>> of the middle class...i would say that yes, we are powerless to >>>>>>>> stop >> obesity. >>>>>>>> Back when we had Mom at home cooking a fresh dinner with fresh >>>>>>>> ingredients, it was a >>>>>> lot easier. >>>>>>>> Now that most households are 2 income households, we are forced >>>>>>>> to eat more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. >>>>>>>> These foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high >>>>>>>> fructose corn syrup and other products that lead to faster weight > gain. >>>>>>>> These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy >>>>>>>> foods are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just >>>>>>>> can't afford it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all >>>>>>>> the time, but I would go broke real fast and I make pretty >>>>>>>> decent money. Even when you have ideal conditions and one can >>>>>>>> eat relatively healthy and exercise, it is difficult to maintain >>>>>>>> a good weight. Our lifestyle does not match our evolution. We >>>>>>>> were designed to have very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, >>>>>>>> especially for those of us in non-laborer positions, we don't >>>>>>>> have the time to get the exercise we >>>>>> really need. >>>>>>>> So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the situation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Eric >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM >>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at >>>>>>>> a proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" >>>>>>>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot >>>>>>>>> of stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in >>> obesity. >>>>>>>>> Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you >>>>>>>>> gain weight. Other factors also get into it...things like >>>>>>>>> thyroid disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take >>>>>>>>> to combat these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have >>> diabetes. >>>>>>>>> Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. >>>>>>>>> Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher >>>>>>>>> insulin levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat >>>>>>>>> since it thinks that, because of the elevated insulin levels, >>>>>>>>> that there is an abundance of glucose in your blood. >>>>>>>>> Hypothyroidism, which is pretty common, also adds to weight >>>>>>>>> gain as it lowers your >>>>>> metabolism. >>>>>>>>> Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system will >>>>>>>>> cause weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the >>>>>>>>> contaminats in our foods, like mercury and heavy >>>>>>>> metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you >>>>>>>> may not lose weight. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM >>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in >>>>>>>>> North America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? >>>>>>>>> Is it a significant enough number to disregard a common sense >>>>>>>>> approach of eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or >>>>>>>>> processed food) and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily >>>>>>>>> apologize for insinuating that the epidemic of obesity is >>>>>>>>> largely >>>>>> self-inflicted and preventable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of >>>>>>>>>> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do >>>>>>>>>>> with the >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>>> 99.9% of obese people. :) >>>>>>>>>>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < >>>>>>>>>>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise >>>>>>>>>>>> sufficiently >>>>>>>>>>> due >>>>>>>>>>>> to disabilities. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM >>>>>>>>>>>> To: cf-community >>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, >>>>>>>>>>>> is all I am saying. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for >>>>>>>>>>>> some other >>>>>>>>>>> reason, >>>>>>>>>>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from >>>>>>>>>>>> gaining more but >>>>>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty >>>>>>>>>>>> much have >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant >>>>>>>>>>>> weight and keep >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but >>>>>>>>>>>> I was >>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. >>>>>>>>>>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you >>>>>>>>>>>> can't eat all fruit >>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked >>>>>>>>>>>> doctors, I got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just > avoid fat. >>>>>>>>>>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry >>>>>>>>>>>> too much >>>>>>>>> about the fat. >>>>>>>>>>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself >>>>>>>>>>>> crazy >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>>>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol >>>>>>>>>>>> numbers than >>>>>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>>>>>> on this list ;) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, >>>>>>>>>>>> because I didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was >>>>>>>>>>>> making excuses, but this isn't really about me. I have more >>>>>>>>>>>> weight to lose and am pretty sure that for me the >>>>>>>>>>> key >>>>>>>>>>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think >>>>>>>>>>>> that's the case >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs >>>>>>>>>>>> certainly >>>>>>>>>>> didn't >>>>>>>>>>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four >>>>>>>>>>>> times a week >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain >>>>>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>>>>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are >>>>>>>>>>>> people who have thyroid problems and people who just don't > exercise. >>>>>>>>>>>> One size does not >>>>>>>>>>> fit >>>>>>>>>>>> all, is what I am saying. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in >>>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> The other two legs of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346172 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
