I think you're both right. Except for the extra-constitutional part maybe,
depending on what Tim is talking about, but he doesn't feel like arguing
right now and neither do I.

I haven't looked at the link to truth check it, gotta go right now.

But, um... Gitmo -- wasn't that a Congress problem? Some bogus thing about
these being the worst of the worst and there's no American jail secure
enough to hold them so we refuse to fund moving the detainees. Or something
like that. Maybe it was that national security was going to be compromised
if they testified they were waterboarded. Who knows. Maybe all of the
above. Obama can't do *everything* by fiat you know, very little actually,
and Jerry already claims he's a fascist.

The stimulus was pure Keynes and would have worked if it had been funded.
IMHO. We don't have to argue about this.

D

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:56 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Of course you could look at what he was given to work with. Personally
> given that sack of fetid tripe he was handed by Bush, and the hostile
> obstructionism by Boehner and his ilk, I think that he's done pretty
> well.
>
> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:43 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, Eric linked it.  I have seen several misleading entries and at
> least
> > 1 down right lie on there already.
> >
> > When did he close Gitmo exactly?
> >
> > I'll give him DADT, that should have been gone long ago.  Defense of
> > marriage defense good on him, although it should likely be handled by the
> > states like he intitially said.  I also think that a lot of the "good"
> that
> > site claims for him grew the size government, expanded our debt, and were
> > extra-constitutional so.....
> >
> > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:36 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I have a hard time identifying anything he's done good, fill me in.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Eric Roberts <
> >> > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> There is still a large contingent on the left that is none too happy
> >> with
> >> >> Obama and his continuance of the Bush policies....but yes, there is
> >> also a
> >> >> good number who think that Obama's shit doesn't stink.  He is
> donesome
> >> >> really good stuff...but he has also really screwed the pooch hard.
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com]
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:43 PM
> >> >> To: cf-community
> >> >> Subject: Re: Good news from NY today - NDAA
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> The funniest thing about the loudest of the party loyalists is that
> they
> >> >> often don't understand their own parties beliefs, and just parrot
> >> whatever
> >> >> they are told.  From what I can see these are the ones that either
> >> blindly
> >> >> follow the party of their parents, or blindly rebelled by choosing
> the
> >> >> other
> >> >> party.
> >> >>
> >> >> The differences I see between parties at this point are pretty small
> in
> >> my
> >> >> mind.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Judah McAuley <
> ju...@wiredotter.com
> >> >> >wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yeah, I've seen "anti-war left now pro-warrior president left" bit
> >> >> > quite a lot. It really bugs me. The same folks who would be
> demonizing
> >> >> > Bush or McCain for taking out Bin Laden and then pushing the fact
> >> >> > during an election are trumpeting the same thing being done by
> Obama.
> >> >> > On the other hand, you've got all the guys on the right who are
> trying
> >> >> > to shame Obama for pointing out that he made the call to take out
> Bin
> >> >> > Laden when Bush was all 9/11 all the time in 2004 and showing up
> in a
> >> >> > flight suit on an aircraft carrier under a Mission Accomplished
> >> >> > banner.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So many people are seemingly into it to support "their guy"
> instead of
> >> >> > trying to support right and wrong and making things better.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Judah
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 7:04 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Not a big fan of salon generally, but recently I have noticed
> that
> >> >> > > they
> >> >> > are
> >> >> > > very upfront when dealing with the difference between reporting
> >> >> > > facts,
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > > offering opinion.  They have even talked about how the formerly
> >> >> > > anti-war left has turned into the pro-warrior president left.
>  That
> >> >> > > was an interesting stor
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
> 

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