mean, yes, you "win", but maybe once, and you get banned after that, and
you're not going to have a pool of IP's to draw from to get back on the
server.
It's probably the same ethos as hacking in general - prove that you can
do it and be done with it. I notice the a similar attitude with
experienced players who jump on newbie servers and rack up scores of
kills against players with maybe an hour of game experience, who then
get angry and leave and don't want to play anymore.
I used to administer some Doom2 Multiplayer servers and we had a mod
where an invulnerable/invincible admin could run around the level and
off players. Most of my time was spent taking care of guys who were
pulling off rocket jumps and multiple headshots on the noob levels.
It's a lot more fun to do that than just boot people off. ;)
- Jim
Jim Davis wrote:
>I was going to say this: it seems like cheating is controlled much more
>through social measures than through technology ones.
>
>If I'm playing a mediocre game at home I may use a god-code or something
>to get through it - that's between me, my PC and my conscience. But on
>a public server with lots of other humans it's less likely to go by
>without a comment. People also just naturally gravitate away from
>cheaters (perhaps they don't know they're being cheated - but they do
>know they're not having any fun) and find new servers.
>
>All told I agree totally with you: any "big" attempts to stop cheating
>have every possibility of screwing things up more than helping. It's
>very similar to the crazy schemes for copy protection than have been
>tried. They rarely do anything to prevent piracy but do succeed in
>annoying a lot of legitimate players.
>
>Jim Davis
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 4:30 PM
>To: CF-Community
>Subject: Re: Half-Life 2 Source Code leaked
>
>I still play Counterstrike, but I play only on servers that I'm familiar
>
>with. I almost NEVER come in contact with cheaters anymore, and the
>ones I do see in games get banned with alarming speed.
>
>The distributed, homegrown nature of CS is what's made it so popular.
>If Valve tries to supercede all this with a monolithic anti-cheating
>device, it'll backfire.
>
>I've played on servers where I've had an alarmingly good day and go
>frag-happy (that, and I'm a camper, so I rack up kills in strings
>usually) and get accused of cheating, but I've never been banned by a
>human admin, since they can see what's happening and make a judgment
>call.
>
>- Jim
>
>Jim Davis wrote:
>
>
>
>>Exactly.
>>
>>Checking regularly isn't that big a deal- even if, for example, it was
>>only done on a map change or death or in "suspicious" cases (20 frags
>>
>>
>>from one player in a row). The checksum is a very small value (only a
>
>
>>few hundred bytes at most) and could easily be slipped in. Since it's
>>so small the server could easily track the progress of characters -
>>
>>
>when
>
>
>>a character is "alone" (far away from others) then the request for the
>>check could be made.
>>
>>The problem here is that Valve wants the best of both worlds and I
>>
>>
>doubt
>
>
>>they'll get it: they want the most advanced and easy to use
>>
>>
>modification
>
>
>>engine ever AND the ability to stop cheaters. I doubt that you can
>>
>>
>open
>
>
>>up the guts of your app as much as they want to and stop all cheating.
>>It'll be interesting to see them try. but I'm really skeptical.
>>
>>At the very least somebody will determine how to spoof the checksum or
>>even lower, the checking software.
>>
>>Jim Davis
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:29 PM
>>To: CF-Community
>>Subject: Re: Half-Life 2 Source Code leaked
>>
>>But they'd have to check regularly, since it could be possible to have
>>the Steam server validate your software's checksum or something and
>>
>>
>then
>
>
>>load a 'helper' to facilitate those 100% headshots.
>>
>>- Jim
>>
>>Jim Davis wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'm not sure if it's that smart. It would seem, if you want to
>>>
>>>
>prevent
>
>
>>>"hacked" copies of the source you could just check CRCs/digital
>>>signatures on the binary files. This would work, at least, for the
>>>Valve shipped maps and such.
>>>
>>>It's the Mod stuff that'll be harder than hell to track - some mods
>>>
>>>
>are
>
>
>>>themselves "cheats" that everybody has (low gravity, new weapons,
>>>
>>>
>etc).
>
>
>>>Even then however a simple CRC check would determine if everybody on
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>map was playing the SAME mod files or if Dan, maybe had a little
>>>something extra. ;^)
>>>
>>>All told I wouldn't expect it to be really all that intelligent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>however.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Jim Davis
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 3:03 PM
>>>To: CF-Community
>>>Subject: Re: Half-Life 2 Source Code leaked
>>>
>>>I wonder how Steam does it? I mean, if it's analyzing every packet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>that
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>comes through, it'll be a molasses-slow disaster. On top of that, if
>>>they can figure out how to mask hacks in legitimate wrappers, it could
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>compromise Steam anyway.
>>>
>>>- Jim
>>>
>>>Smith, Matthew P -CONT(CSC) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do you know if HL2 will hook into the new Steam system for online
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>play?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I thought Steam was supposed to block hacks and such...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Jim Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 12:51 PM
>>>>To: CF-Community
>>>>Subject: Half-Life 2 Source Code leaked
>>>>
>>>>http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/02/1547218
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>><http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/02/1547218
>>><http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/02/1547218
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>><http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/02/1547218
>>
>>
><http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/02/1547218&mode=nested&t
>
>
>>&mode=nested&t
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>&mode=nested&t
>>>id=126&tid=127&tid=156&tid=172&tid=186&threshold=-1%3e>
>>>&mode=nested&tid=126&tid=127&tid=156&tid=172&tid=186&threshold=-1>
>>>&mode=nested&tid=126&tid=127&tid=156&tid=172&tid=186&threshold=-1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Doesn't particularly mean someone will compile Half-Life 2 and
>>>>
>>>>
>release
>
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>it, since it's old code, but I guarantee it'll immediately contribute
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>cheat hacks for multiplayer. Oh, and the lovely, shattered dream of
>>>>playing Half-Life multiplayer without [EMAIL PROTECTED] and aimbots.
>>>>
>>>>- Jim
>>>>
>>>>
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