Todd I think that is where the pitfall with RIA lies. Sure I could
design an RIA by myself. I've got extensive CF experience, very
comfortable with CFMX and remoting as well as Flash/Actionscript.

But when we take an application out of the traditional browser, which
the general consumer has _slowly_ grown comfortable with, we lose a lot
of the structure and barriers. A very small aspect would be the multiple
colors of active and visited links. From bookmarking and copying
shortcuts to form controls; the general user has become familiar with
these devices.

When creating these applications is a flash-only environment, you are
taking all familiarity away from the user. Every application will be a
completely new experience to the user. Things that they were comfortable
in the past no longer exists and a user is forced to learn how to use
each application on their own from scratch. This is why usability has
suddenly become a more predominant issue. Personally I wouldn't feel
comfortable at all deploying an RIA that only a designer and programmer
developed. I would want a usability expert to spend just as much time,
if not more, than we spent coding and developing the application, to
ensure a user will be able to use it.

Although and RIA can be developed with a very small team, I'm weary of
the overall effectiveness.

Again, I'm not trying to bash MM for forward thinking. I'm merely trying
to figure out why there is a concerning amount of malcontent among MM
developers.

Adam Wayne Lehman
Web Systems Developer
Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
Distance Education Division


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Rafferty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 6:56 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: The New Macromedia Website

At 05:08 PM 3/6/2003 -0500, Adrocknaphobia Jones wrote:
>My underlying issue is that Macromedia is very fickle. I can't tell you
>where they are going to be in a year. Which mean I don't know where I,
a
>MM developer will be in a year either.

Then don't upgrade?  Keep the current version you have and remain a
happy 
camper?  Don't do any RIA development.  RIA is nothing more than MM
trying 
to set a trend.  You can either jump on the trend bandwagon or you can
look 
for another trend.

Currently, where I work ... we're developing our first RIA website for a

lawyer firm.  Basically the whole public side is going to be done in 
flash.  We're also offering a low bandwidth side, not because we have
too, 
but because we realize that not everyone wants to jump on the flash 
bandwagon and I showed my bosses that it is entirely possible to build
both 
the static and flash site at the same time using the same CFCs.  We have

one flash developer in-house that has never done remoting before in his 
life and ... right now, he's making it look all too easy.  He's enjoying

it, it's something new for him.  So far it has NOT increased ANY
additional 
time or money necessary for us to complete this website.  It should be 
launched by the end of April and everything is right on schedule as it 
stands.  It will be using CFMX for the backend/admin and Flash 
MX/Remoting/CFMX for the front end.

So, it's a choice... either your clients want it or they won't.  Either
you 
will do it or you won't.

Just one man's opinion,
~Todd



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Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/
Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion
http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/
http://www.devmx.com/

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