you suck, get over it :) jk.
and im sorry, i just cant agree. im both. 100% i know more about photoshop than i do cf, yet ill code circles around some of the developers that call themselves developers ... so, whatever... its all good. just retract your statement and we will stop. or is this like pen*s envy and you cant design? aight mang... take it easy... by the way... new job? didnt you work somewhere else last year? tony On 4/19/05, Burns, John D <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not meaning to be offensive, I'm only pointing out that graphic > designers are not, by nature, programmers. That's why we distinguish > between the two. The start of my post was pointing out that Adobe may be > able to help boost CF usage by marketing it a simple way for > non-programmers to get basic programming tasks done on websites (send > email, include files, etc). Of course there are lots of tricks that one > can do with a web server, but usually to understand those, you have to > have worked extensively with web servers or studied the subject to know > about SSI. Most designers I have met don't know much about the > capabilities of web servers at all (virtual directories being the > simplest example) and I don't fault them for this as it is not their > job. It's the same way that I wouldn't expect most programmers on this > list to know all of the keyboard shortcuts or graphical tricks in > Photoshop. It's not that we're stupid and couldn't learn it, but it's > not in our daily set of tasks. I know there are exceptions to certain > rules, but I would say that most people who label themselves as > designers probably don't know much about programming. If they do know > programming, they would probably classify themselves as > designer/developers. It's all semantics and doesn't really matter, I'm > just explaining the basis for my statements. > > > John Burns > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer > Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | Web Developer > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 1:19 PM > To: CF-Talk > Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?! > > I respectfully disagree. The graphic design industry was one of the > first to embrace the web when it was finally becoming commercialized > back in the mid-90's. > > As a graphic designer, I know plenty of other designers and almost all > of them have done web sites for people. Some use just wysiwyg tools and > others have become accomplished coders. > > I find your blanket dismissal of graphic designers as derogatory and > offensive. > > --- > Kevin Graeme > Cooperative Extension Technology Services University of > Wisconsin-Extension > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Burns, John D [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 10:03 AM > > To: CF-Talk > > Subject: RE: macromedia and Adobe?! > > > > Again, we're talking graphic designers. Most don't even understand > > the concept of a web server. > > > > > > John Burns > > Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer Wyle Laboratories, Inc. | > > Web Developer > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Logware (www.logware.us): a new and convenient web-based time tracking application. Start tracking and documenting hours spent on a project or with a client with Logware today. Try it for free with a 15 day trial account. http://www.houseoffusion.com/banners/view.cfm?bannerid=67 Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:203547 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54
