I really disliked the site model as well... The big PIA with Eclipse...you can't just create a blank file without creating a file in the file system. When I am debugging javascript, I will grab the source to see the code the error is referring to...why should I have to create a file that I have to go and delete and go therough the whole file creation wizard process. Pretty stupid and not very user friendly.
Eric -----Original Message----- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 6:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Editor " You are also forced to work in Project mode, instead of being able to work in directory mode." Not sure what version you are using but - you can work in Directory mode if you wish - it's called File Explorer View. You can search on all files / open or closed. You don't work at all with DW Sites? I would say long term that DW will be "replaced" with an Eclipse version of it. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Roberts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 June 2007 12:37 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Editor I think the long start up time (which is even longer that DW's start up time amazingly enough) is a big negative. Eclipse/CFEclipse regularly crashes on me and the tag editors rarely works properly. The editor itself is choppy and jerky and is prone to grabbing chunks of code that you are copying and cutting and pasting them elsewhere in the document (really super annoying). Ctrl_Shift_Z brings up a color palette...WTF is up with that? With every other program in the world that works to go forward on the edit history list (the reverse of ctrl_z). You are also forced to work in Project mode, instead of being able to work in directory mode. Most of what I do is not conducive to this project mode crap. I am forced to use it at work, so I also use it for other thing to learn it better and get used to it. So far I am not impressed and feel it needs a lot of work before this is ready for prime time. Job done would be a product where all the features actually work. I don't know the source of the problem...if it is a CFEclipse issue or if it is an underlying Eclipse issue...but this has some serious issues that effect usablility. Eclipse can't even do a proper site wide search or search all open docs. I have to open DW for that. The Eclipse people also seem to have a bad attitude. On Vista, there seems to be a problem unpacking the code using the native unzipper. While all my other zipped files that have been zipped by WinZip and WinRar seem to work fine, Eclipse requires the use of a third party package to unzip. This is something that the Eclipse peole are unwilling (and have stated so) to fix by using a better compression package instead of some off the wall open source POS one. Yeah...it has a lot of issues. DW, unfortunately, is still the better product by far. Eric -----Original Message----- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 3:40 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Editor Of course I do. I mean the ability to not open a page up into the IDE with a single click hardly constitutes it being hard to use - as in hard to work with. You don't really have to setup workspaces you can use the default one and to be honest out of the box it is not harder to work with than DW as you still have to use Sites etc if you want to get the most out of it. One thing which Eclipse does lack is a design view and possible Firebug integration, if and when it get's that it will be the dogs full stop. I had been using DW since around just before Version 1, I skipped a version when it made the awful decision to merge with Ultradev and then after that I only used it to working in Design view and doing some visual layout for ease of use, I then logically moved to CF Studio and Homesite 5.x/+ and around August 2005 I moved to using Eclipse and I think a very early version of CFEclipse when Rob Rohan etc were developing it and never looked back. What learning curve can it possibly have? I mean once you have setup a project and can get at your files, which probably takes around 5 mins you are editing CF ...so isn't that job done? -----Original Message----- From: Bobby Hartsfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 25 June 2007 23:46 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CF Editor Seriously Neil? You question that statement at all? Compared to 95% of all editors out there, I think it is obvious that CFEclipse has a bigger learning curve. (the other 5% including editors such as Emacs and VI heh) Out of the box, you can't just open CFEclipse and start editing files for one... you have to set up workspaces and projects either with the files you want to edit or create new files within a project before you can edit them. The whole project based editing is the one big turn-off for most people that say they don't like CFEclipse. <opinion>If it were easy to just install CFE and simply double click a .cfm (that isn't part of an existing project) then edit and save... CFEclipse would be on every developers workstation.</opinion> ......:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:. Bobby Hartsfield http://acoderslife.com -----Original Message----- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 4:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: CF Editor Really? Why? ***REMOVED JUNK*** -----Original Message----- From: Andy Matthews To: CF-Talk Sent: Mon Jun 25 19:53:22 2007 Subject: RE: CF Editor I will say that CFE has a very high learning curve. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| ColdFusion 8 beta â Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/entitlement/index.cfm?e=labs_adobecf8_beta Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/message.cfm/messageid:282292 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/CF-Talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4
