To give a littler perspective, Irvin, I'm hiring developers currently in one language and working on learning a couple others myself.
Right now I'm in a .Net shop and hiring a dev or two for some projects. A number of them are web apps that need: MVC knowledge IOC/DI container understanding Solid OOP I got acquired by the company I work for and, having never done C#/.Net development, I had to figure out how I was going to take my apps and start porting them from CF over to C#/.Net. Fortunately for me, I'd kept up with developments in the CF world and had already started learning OOP, had started picking up ColdBox (an MVC framework), had already started figuring out IOC. So it was a matter of learning a new language more than it was learning fundamentally new concepts. Some things are different for sure, like duck typing vs static typing, interfaces, etc, but the concepts you are referring to as the "complicated stuff that 99% of people don't need to know" are actually concepts that span most languages are deal with organizational constructs that are common to creating solid, reusable, maintainable code for real projects. There is no way I'd hire a developer, in any language, at this point that didn't understand OOP. They don't have to use it for every little thing, but they need to understand what it is and when to use it. If it is a web project, they should know what MVC is and when/why to use that. If it is more of a RIA app, I'd expect them to understand MVVM and similar paradigms. The same concepts about separation of concerns, reusable code, unit testing, design patterns, fundamental architectural concerns and decisions, those are the sorts of things that make good programmers. Some languages make some bits easier and some make other bits easier. And some languages just "feel" right and make it a pleasure to express yourself in. But most of the things I know about creating good software are the same in CF as in .Net and Ruby and Scala and Javascript. And, yes, even in PHP (though it's been awhile since I done any PHP). In my opinion, CF happens to allow me to do a lot of the good stuff in less code than I'd use in most other languages and to do so in a way that makes me feel comfortable. CF may, or may not, be dying a slow death, but as some one who codes and hires in other languages, I can tell you that having the community talking about how to write better, more maintainable, testable, extensible code will never be one of those reasons. Cheers, Judah On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Irvin Gomez <ir...@pixel69.com> wrote: > >>On 11/10/2011 8:39 AM, Gerald Guido wrote: >> >>> Wait.. does that mean that CF is undead? And part of the impending zombie >>> Apocalypse? Sweet! >> > > CF is dying - no matter what the usual suspects say. The sad part is that CF > is dying because potential newcomers to the language do not have a thriving > community with support for bebinner's issues. Most of the material for > beginners is outdate, abandoned or just plain old/ugly. > > CFLib has been semi-dead (even Ray Camden wrote yesterday how behind he is on > queue). Ben Forta's site is despicably ugly - why won't Adobe pay a bit of > money to give the man a nice site???? > > The current CF talk is about OOP and complicated stuff that 99% of the users > don't need or understand. The experts have gone "too hard core", scaring away > people who could embrace Coldfusion's greatest asset: getting the basics > quickly. That's what 99% of sites need: a little procedural code to get the > website going without problems. > > I know I'll be insulted, but the truth must be said: Coldfusion is dying a > slow death and there is absolutely no reason why a person entering the web > programming arena should go with Coldfusion instead of PHP, for example. I > write these words with pain, because I love CF, but the truth is the truth. > Now I must go back to finishing my Begineer PHP book (shame on me!). > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:348598 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
