Andrew... most of my brain is still influenza-ridden or ejected into tissues and has been discarded at some stage over the last few days.
So... err... *huh*? Sorry mate, am not trying to be obtuse, but I'm just not able to connect your dots today. -- Adam On 31 January 2013 10:52, Andrew Scott <andr...@andyscott.id.au> wrote: > > They are some very good points Adam, but one has to ask would there not be, > considering that there was an actual number mentioned, at least one or two > Senior guys who could? > > If not why not... > > > -- > Regards, > Andrew Scott > WebSite: http://www.andyscott.id.au/ > Google+: http://plus.google.com/113032480415921517411 > > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Adam Cameron < > adamcameroncoldfus...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 31 January 2013 01:11, Raymond Camden <raymondcam...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Maybe I'm crazy, but if a developer doesn't know how to install > > ColdFusion, > > > or install a web server, than they aren't a web developer. (And they > can > > > learn to this in one hour.) I have _never_ seen an org where IT was > > > responsible for setting up base installs like that. That would be like > IT > > > installing Chrome for you. > > > > > > > > There are two things here, Ray: > > > > 1. Yes, anyone calling themselves a CF dev should be able to do those > > things. I am, however, *astounded* at how many do not, and how many CF > > developers' technical knowledge & capabilities drop away very quickly > > once > > they get away from CFML itself. > > 2. That said, I've found it reasonably common in larger teams (and in > > companies that aren't just a specialist IT shop) wherein the > developers > > are > > not "special users" when it comes to how they fit into the company's > IT > > infrastructure, and they're all just "plain users" like everyone else > in > > the company. Having been on both sides of this code: a sysadmin, and a > > user, I prefer the developers to *not* be administrators. From an > admin > > POV few developers know what they're doing well enough to be trusted > > with > > admin role on a network: the chief thing they don't know is that they > > don't > > know everything (whilst thinking they do), and they certainly don't > > tend to > > consider anything other than their own personal requirements (which > can > > compromise the network if left unchecked). From a user POV, I'd rather > > than > > someone administer my machine for me, than have to do it myself. I'm > > here > > to write code, not configure & maintain my computer. Then again > perhaps > > I'm > > an anomalous developer in that hardware and software configuration > bore > > me > > shitless. I can do it, but I find it tedious. And it's nice to have > > people > > around to do it for me. > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:354187 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/unsubscribe.cfm
