Sooo...  You want to get your MCSE because it is less expensive?  In the way
of hands on for Cisco, I will address that last.  What is your current job,
and where do you want to be in say one year...    Do you at work or at home
have an NT environment with clients and servers to have hands on with DHCP,
WINS et al?  Tell us more, (or me) and I will give you a more informed
opinion.  :-) Do the letters after my name mean I know everything?  LOL no,
but they will help to validate my opinion.

Jim Croyle
MCSE, CCNA, CNA, A+, and one test from CCNP.  



-----Original Message-----
From: kien theng lee
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 8/4/00 4:24 PM
Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites


i am working on BCRAN exams and thinking about taking a break after that
and 
turn to learning Windows. any advice? the reason i am stopping cisco
exams 
for a while is becasue i cannot afford a home lab or taking any hands-on

training. but mcse's class is cheaper.

>From: Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: Marshal Schoener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Erik Mintz'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,        "'Okuwa, Daley'"

><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites
>Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 03:53:48 +0800
>
>A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member
>length is on object 06000046. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79.
>Referenced object 00000000 (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB
>Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16)
>
>What the hell does that mean?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>DUH?  Isn't it obvious ;-)
>While I agree with a lot of what you said, in my opinion it
>is important to know a popular OS like NT.
>A lot of top networking and consulting jobs can require you
>to be proficient in an OS.  You won't find a more popular OS at this
>time than a Microsoft one :)
>Not having experience with Windows is a disadvantage!
>That is my opinion...
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Erik Mintz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:22 AM
>To: 'Okuwa, Daley'
>Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites
>
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>I wouldn't waste my time with mastering windows if you have no
>interest in it, or anything else you're not interested in, for that
>matter. Myself, I don't do windows, My opinion of microsoft products
>is that they are the worst consumer products of the modern age. You
>are a step ahead of other newbies with your love for the command line,
>most people would rather point and click. Learn the fundamentals of
>networking, if possible, take cisco's ICRC class, great course. Use
>you Linux box to provide various network services and solve problems,
>build as many as you can to represent a complex network. Keep up with
>mailing lists like this and hit the newsgroups for more, make friends
>by helping others solve they're networking problems. Before you know
>it you'll be working with experienced people and finding more
>opportunities.
>I know many top level network engineers who couldn't find the start
>menu on a windows box, so the answer is no, you don't need micro$oft
>experience to to succeed. There is enough work out there right now so
>you can tell a potential employer "no thanks" if they demand you to
>have NT experience for whatever reason. Of course, it doesn't hurt to
>know your way around an operating system that is found almost
>everywhere, just don't cry when you find yourself staring at blue
>screens and up all night tracking down bug-fixes to cryptic error
>messages that reference code that is locked up tight in the Washington
>woods -here's one that was sent to me in an FYI from my NT admin last
>week before he had to patch a server;
>A fatal MTA database server error was encountered. A bad list member
>length is on object 06000046. File offset: 3134. Attribute ID: 79.
>Referenced object 00000000 (0 => N/A). Referenced object error: 0. [DB
>Server DISP:ROUTER 8 42] (16)
>
>What the hell does that mean?
>
>Erik Mintz
>Director, IT operations
>Crosslinks systems
>1 Silicon alley plaza
>New York, NY  10038
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>:-)
>"They have computers, and they may have other weapons of mass
>destruction."
>- -Janet Reno, US Attorney General, 2/27/98
>
>
>#-----Original Message-----
>#From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
>Of
>#Okuwa, Daley
>#Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 6:19 AM
>#To: 'Adedapo Ola'
>#Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
>#Subject: RE: Cisco Prerequisites
>#
>#
>#Not neccesarily but it gives you a better edge if you have been in
>LAN
>#enviroment and probably MCSE
>#
>#
>#Daley Okuwa
>#EDS Network services
>#Stockley Park
>#Tel no 0208 -5353144
>#fax no 0208-7544057
>
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