Prospective employers should definitely not leave it up to the previous
employer to determine what a person is worth. However, they should use it
as a point of reference. If your last employer does not or will not pay
you what you want, it begs the question 'Why?'. There are really only a
few answers that apply:
Employee does not want to stay for whatever reason.
The task(s) they perform are not worthy of X dollars. Outgrown position,
low skill level etc.
They are happy to see you leave.
Based on these scenario's, the only ones that springs to mind as valid
reasons to warrant a significant pay hike are an employee wishing to leave
because they are bored and need more of a challenge, or because they are
significantly underpaid. In either case they would also need some sort of
proof of increased worth. Diplomas and Certs are two possibilities that
fall into this category.
It comes as no surprise to anyone that counteroffers are normally made to
employee's of value that have expressed their desire to leave. This is
also factored into the offer your potential employer will make.
The whole Consultant/Corporate-body scenario is just basic business
economics.
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: whatshakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 8:48 PM
Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous salary
> I strongly disagree with this. Previous salary says a
> lot about how valuable your last employer thought you
> were to them specifically and how much they felt they
> could pay you and still keep you. Almost all employers
> would probably counteroffer you if you said you were
> going to leave. My last two did, by upwards of 20%.
> Does that mean my skill level jumped 20% right after I
> decided to leave and they decided they wanted me a
> little more?
> Why should my new potential employer pay me based on
> what someone else thinks I'm worth? Why should they
> leave their business decisions up to someone else? My
> last company thought of me as a cost center. I was
> there to support their network. My new company, where
> I am a consultant, bills me out at $200/hr (pays me
> nowhere near that much... heheh) and definitely
> considers me a profit center. I bring them money and
> they in turn think of me as more valuable. Did I jump
> skill level from the last day at my last job and the
> first day of my new job.... no. But my value to my
> employer did. And that's what counts.
>
> Mike
>
> --- whatshakin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Previous salary says a lot about a persons skill
> > level. After all, if you
> > are not worth your former or current employer paying
> > you what you are asking
> > for, why should another employer pay you that much?
> >
> > Granted, it is a well known fact that many employees
> > often do not recieve
> > the benefits they deserve if they remain at one
> > company for more than five
> > years or so. However, your salary is probably not
> > too far off what a job
> > change will get you. This being the case, it should
> > not be too embarassing
> > telling your prospective employer what you currently
> > make. If it is, you
> > are probably not worth what you are shooting for.
> >
> > There are exceptions to the rule.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: Companies requiring proof of previous
> > salary
> >
> >
> > > On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Stephane Wantou Siantou wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hey Guys,
> > > > I recently had an interview with a company that
> > requires proof of
> > > > my previous salary. I don't want to show them
> > anything about my
> > > > previous salary. How do you think I can go
> > about it?
> > > > Thanks
> > >
> > > I would tell them to take a leap. Your previous
> > salary is *no* basis for
> > > what you are worth to them. It shouldn't even
> > matter.
> > >
> > > Brian
> > >
> > >
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