As you know all CCIEs list the cert# on their business card; to me it is a
form of validation. May be it is rare, but I have not seen any without the
cert#.
My .02
hv
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Winchester, Derek S.
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:46 AM
To: 'Raul F. Fernandez'; Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco
Subject: RE: Possible phony CCIE
You actually never know what a Guy knows. I have an ex-coworker that is a
CCIE. He got recruited by Xedia Corp 3 years ago.He had to learn there
routers and technology. And also he works mostly with ISP's now. His Cisco
knowledge has slipped and the first to go is basic concepts. He still knows
Cisco, but to someone who works with it everyday he might seem like a dumb
CCIE. Now if he comes back to the Cisco side of the track, yeah he will get
job offers and a good position. But to the common Engineer ready to critique
him, he will seem quite a bit of a Cisco poser.
Derek S. Winchester
Sr. WAN Engineer(CCNP)
Data Communications
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-----Original Message-----
From: Raul F. Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:57 AM
To: Tim O'Brien; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Cisco
Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE
Dear folks,
I have to agree with Tim on this one. It may have been possible that the
person at this site just did not pay enough attention to the question posed
or that he may not known the answer. I do not know thew nature of the
question. Perhaps Mark could be kind enough to let us know what the
question was or were. Now depending on the nature and difficulty of the
question it may justify his not being able to answer it. If he is lying he
should be disciplined because he lied and because he has taken for granted
all the blood sweat and tears that goes into getting a CCIE. I think too
many folks get caught up in the CCIE and forget all the real hard work that
goes into it. Basically, if he does not know the answer to a perplexing
question he should at least be able to outline a troubleshooting plan to
find it.
Raul
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Cisco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, October 23, 2000 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE
>Just because a guy can config a router it does not make him a god. Lets
face
>it guys, there is nobody out there that knows everything about everything,
>and if there is someone that thinks they do, I guarantee there is someone
>else out there that knows more than they do. Obviously if this guy is lying
>about his CCIE he should be exposed, and after reported it is up to Cisco
to
>deal with as they see fit.
>
>.02
>
>Tim
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sam LI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Mark Cohen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 6:41 AM
>Subject: Re: Possible phony CCIE
>
>
>Well, even some real one behave like this, i come across a few in the the
>past
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Mark Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:55 PM
>Subject: Possible phony CCIE
>
>
>> Greetings-
>>
>>
>> I recently worked on a project with a fellow who claimed to be a CCIE. He
>> even gave me his card with the CCIE logo on it. At least I think it is
the
>> CCIE logo. It is a router symbol surrounded with laurels and has the
words
>> Cisco Certified Internetwork Engineer circling it as well. After asking
>this
>> person a few questions, I became suspicious of his credentials due to his
>> apparent lack of knowledge of the fundamentals. (I never asked for his
>CCIE
>> number because I attempted verification only after I left the account). I
>> faxed a copy of the business card he gave me (homemade BTW) to someone in
>> the CCIE program at Cisco. She told me the card is bogus and that she
>would
>> send the card to the Cisco lawyers. That was three months ago and this
>> person is STILL working on site there. What do you people think I should
>do
>> now? Send e-mail to the persons that are contracting him there? He is
>> charging a very high bill rate. The people he is working don't have
enough
>> knowledge to confirm his credentials. Should I let this go? Isn't part of
>my
>> cert agreement with Cisco to protect the logo? I feel that Cisco isn't
>doing
>> anything to protect us here.
>>
>> Mark Cohen
>> CCNA, MCSE, MCP+I
>>
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