My thoughts were this:
If I pay for everything myself, then the employer should be ready to
provide a pay raise immediately, up to $120k.
If they pay for everything (lab attempts, classes, lab equipment that I
get to keep), then I can see staying on for an additional 6 months at
the current pay rate. This would make up for the money laid out for
everything, considering the pay raise for me would be about $30k.
But, quite frankly, I don't see any company laying out cash like that
for equipment that they aren't going to use. And negotiating a raise
like that seems very difficult.
Jim
Dennis Laganiere wrote:
> I'm ready to get spammed for this, but here are some thoughts from the other
> side of management.
>
> If YOU paid for your own training, lab equipment, and lab attempts (probably
> multiple, at $1,000 piece) then I could see your asking for a huge raise.
>
> HOWEVER, if the company paid for your training, bought $15,000 to $20,000
> worth of lab equipment for you to play with, and gave you the time to study,
> + lab attempts, +travel expenses+ god-knows-what-else, I think you owe
> something back, and perhaps some time served at your current rate is the
> least they could expect in return.
>
> If they support you through the whole process and you either leave or start
> barking for the stars salary-wise, the guy next to you, who's six months
> behind you on the same career path, won't get the price of honey for his
> tea.
>
> Again, these are just my $.02
>
>
> --- Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ItsMe
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 1/18/01 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Whew... I passed
>
> Convincing the VP isn't the hard part, its after you pass explaining to
> the
> VP
> that a $20K/year raise is warranted. Which in turn he says your are
> nuts,
> so you decide to leave... until he breaks out the agreement that says in
> fine print that you have agreed to pay back all training funds it you
> leave...
> Be careful!
>
> "Jim Healis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
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>
>> Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for
>
> just
>
>> a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then
>
> I
>
>> thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there.
>
> Thankfully,
>
>> I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working
>> document.
>> I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get
>
> this
>
>> far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions
>
> about
>
>> certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer
>
> them.
>
>> Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my
>
> boss
> that
>
>> the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for
>
> getting
>
>> there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end;
>
> but
> if
>
>> I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a
>
> VP
>
>> that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve
>
> these
>
>> things?
>> Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
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