What if the company continues to use that equipment that it purchased to
train other employees? Just looking at the facts as they're presented here,
I would say that the company bought the training and equipment for its own
purposes - not strictly for yours. It's unfortunate for companies that when
they have someone who both desires and is capable of learning the material,
that they also must then compensate that person accordingly once they reach
a certain level of competence. But the company that trains you has to also
face the fact that your increased knowledge costs more to retain. I have no
problem with that, either as an employee or as an employer.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Healis
Newsgroups: groupstudy.cisco
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: Whew... I passed
My thoughts were this:
If I pay for everything myself, then the employer should be ready to
provide a pay raise immediately, up to $120k.
If they pay for everything (lab attempts, classes, lab equipment that I
get to keep), then I can see staying on for an additional 6 months at
the current pay rate. This would make up for the money laid out for
everything, considering the pay raise for me would be about $30k.
But, quite frankly, I don't see any company laying out cash like that
for equipment that they aren't going to use. And negotiating a raise
like that seems very difficult.
Jim
Dennis Laganiere wrote:
> I'm ready to get spammed for this, but here are some thoughts from the
other
> side of management.
>
> If YOU paid for your own training, lab equipment, and lab attempts
(probably
> multiple, at $1,000 piece) then I could see your asking for a huge raise.
>
> HOWEVER, if the company paid for your training, bought $15,000 to $20,000
> worth of lab equipment for you to play with, and gave you the time to
study,
> + lab attempts, +travel expenses+ god-knows-what-else, I think you owe
> something back, and perhaps some time served at your current rate is the
> least they could expect in return.
>
> If they support you through the whole process and you either leave or
start
> barking for the stars salary-wise, the guy next to you, who's six months
> behind you on the same career path, won't get the price of honey for his
> tea.
>
> Again, these are just my $.02
>
>
> --- Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ItsMe
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 1/18/01 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Whew... I passed
>
> Convincing the VP isn't the hard part, its after you pass explaining to
> the
> VP
> that a $20K/year raise is warranted. Which in turn he says your are
> nuts,
> so you decide to leave... until he breaks out the agreement that says in
> fine print that you have agreed to pay back all training funds it you
> leave...
> Be careful!
>
> "Jim Healis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2">news:DF49A3EC4130D411AC1600508B608DDF01116426@DIALPAD-EX2...
>
>> Well, I did it. I passed the CCIE written exam this morning. And, for
>
> just
>
>> a moment, I felt the weight of the world lift off my shoulders. Then
>
> I
>
>> thought about the lab exam and what I need to do to get there.
>
> Thankfully,
>
>> I have a plan; it just needs to be put on paper so it can be a working
>> document.
>> I have posted much in the recent weeks about how I have studied to get
>
> this
>
>> far, so I won't post it again. But if you have specific questions
>
> about
>
>> certain areas, that won't violate the NDA, I will be happy to answer
>
> them.
>
>> Now, my next challenge comes along... not the lab... convincing my
>
> boss
> that
>
>> the company should pay for the lab exam and any needed materials for
>
> getting
>
>> there. I know that I shouldn't rely on this as the means to the end;
>
> but
> if
>
>> I can get it, why not? Anyone have any pointers on how to convince a
>
> VP
>
>> that doesn't know much about the CCIE program that he should approve
>
> these
>
>> things?
>> Thanks for the wonderful humor and study tips!
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
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