I hear these stories from time to time, but have yet to see them (11 years
as a consultant in this market). These higher paying, better quality jobs
(for CCNP's and such) might be one or two in a hundred. What I described
earlier is typical of the "Beltway bandits" in the area, which are primarily
as you describe - "body shops".
Z
>From: "W. Alan Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "W. Alan Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: CCIE salary
>Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 10:51:01 -0500
>
>This sounds light to me...
>
>Are you talking about full-time employment where you go into work everyday,
>at your company, and work on your company's network? You must be. In that
>kind of environment, maybe this is the going rate. I have no exposure to
>that kind of environment.
>
>You'd easily make 20% more than this as a consultant with a respectable
>company. The Metro D.C. area is littered with consulting companies, many
>of
>which are simply staff augmentation/body shop oriented. There are,
>however,
>a growing number of quality "project oriented" firms. These companies are
>paying much better, because they know how to bid a job correctly, and they
>can bring the right people and skillsets to bear ensuring that they get the
>work done ahead of schedule.
>
>They get the CCIEs and experienced designers involved early, to do the
>requirements analysis, and set the design. Then they roll them out, and
>bring in the CCNPs to implement. At that point, the high level guys have
>moved on to the next project, and are only needed to address specific
>complex issues if they arise. If they've done their jobs correctly, they
>shouldn't need to be involved at all.
>
>I have never had any desire to work in a static environment, for years on
>end. I have been on the consulting end for my entire professional life.
>There are trade-offs. There is some degree of travel that is to be
>expected, and the hours are not necessarily fixed. If you are of the
>9-to-5
>mindset, then you certainly don't want to be a consultant. If you enjoy a
>constant state of change, then it's probably something you ought to
>consider.
>
>What are your goals?
>
>Alan
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 9:38 AM
>Subject: Re: CCIE salary
>
>
> > The thing is, nothing other than the CCIE cert matters...
> >
> > CCNA = difficult to find a job
> > CCNP = around $65k annually
> > SUN certs = around $65k annually
> > MCSE = around $55k annually
> > CNE5 = around $45k annually
> > Notes certs = around $60k annually
> >
> > Here's the catch: CCNP, plus SUN cert, plus MCSE, plus CNE5 = around
>$65k
> > annually.
> >
> > CCIE = around $125 annually
> >
> > The difference is that CCIE's will get higher end, network architect
>type
> > positions, while all the other certs will get you Systems Administrator
>jobs
> > that might also have responsibility for a router or switch or two...
> >
> > Outside the System Admin circle, there simply isn't the demand for these
> > lower end certs. If you want to design and build large, complex
>enterprise
> > networks, you wimply won't get that job until you are a CCIE. If you
>want
>to
> > administer those networks and the systems that reside on them, then
>these
> > lower certs are your ticket to an interview...
> >
> > This is the DC, Baltimore, Northern Virginia market mindset, but I
>expect
> > that things are similar elsewhere.
> >
> > Z
> >
> >
> > >From: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >Reply-To: "Gayathri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >Subject: Re: CCIE salary
> > >Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:35:26 +0800
> > >
> > >How much can a CCNP with SUN certification expect with 6 yrs
>experience
>in
> > >varying fields ?
> > >
> > >
> > >"Mask Of Zorro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >
> > > > The DC market rate for CCIE's is around $125. This varies with how
>long
> > >you
> > > > have been a CCIE and what else you know...
> > > >
> > > > Z
> > > >
> > > > >From: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: Stephane Wantou Siantou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: CCIE salary
> > > > >Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 00:40:02 -0500 (EST)
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi everybody,
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anybody know approximately what the average CCIE makes in the
> > > > >DC area?
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > >
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