Hello Steve,

Personally,it's not about what the world thinks, it's what YOU think. 
Attempting the lab and passing or failing it :-(  for ME is not about 
whether there are so many IE's out there or a $150K job or no job or Juniper 
lurking in the horizon, it's about one's own achievment and self-worth. Like 
you, I too started pulling cables through ceilings, bled my fingers 
(literally) by opening up x86's and some of those never heard brand-names, 
the Novell sh**, the Microsoft sh**, A+, N+, Citrix, xxNA, xxNP etc. etc. 
etc....you know the list goes on and on. It's about the challenge that the 
lab offers and the fun? of fixing those godam*** problems that excites me. 
OK, I am not trying sound like a pr*** here.

I personally think now after all these years, all these other certs are 
nothing when compared to the CCIE because they are written, something you 
can memorize and pass, which is what most of us have done. But the LAB, it's 
whether you know it or you don't? As we say at work..it's all in your 10 
fingers!!

NO one in my parent company is certified, NO one, NADA - the Cisco guru, 
Unix guru, Oracle guru, NT guru etc.etc. and whenever I fall into problems, 
guess who helps me out?
And I always use them as my Prime Example in my classes when I am trying to 
teach someone who does not know the difference b/w a router, switch or hub? 
God help me!!!

Attempting and passing the LAB is like climbing up Mt. Everest which is in 
my home country, Nepal. It's not whether Hillary or Tenzing Norgay who 
climbed it first and the many others after them, it's YOU  who had done it 
now. YOU.
Ok, stop being poetic here :-)

So I suggest GO FOR IT MAN!! or as you guys say there, CHAP :-)
Best of Luck!!

Just my 2 cents!
Peace!!
Kind regards,
Niraj


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>Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 05:31:04 -0400
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>Guys,
>
>on saturday i passed my CCIE written ,just ....Horray for me ...
>But i have decided not to go for the lab?????......WHY?.
>
>well i have been in the industry for 8yrs..and i have spent most of that
>time chasing Cred`s,
>First it was novell
>Then it was Microsoft
>then i side-swiped into Lotus
>Now it is Cisco....and throughout all that time .as soon as i get these
>cred`s they seem to to be worth as much as they were.
>an articale taken from "the Times" about two weeks ago by a top london
>recuritment agent
>
>"At this present time ,even though we(England) are in a resonable period of
>growth ,i presently have 5 of the most sort after network expert  CCIE
>awatiing work"
>
>this got me thinking........how many CCIE does the world need.
>
>And more importantly HOW much work it there for CCIE`s,
>
>take this senario ... i presently work for a company that has over 12,000
>employees in the UK....we have 1500 cisco switches and routers running
>OSPF.BGP.ISDN,SMDS.,
>yet we have only ONE CCIE...this begs the question ....how many org`s are
>there out there to support all us IE.for economic means only why employ an
>IE if you only need (or can get away with) an NP who spent the time the IE
>did on his lab X-triaing into FOUNDRY and VOIP...?????
>if we take this list for example there are plenty of people who are
>extremly advanced in there skill
>
>Howard,Pris,Chuck,Thomas,MR roysdon....these guys and more don`t SEEM to
>need the IE...maybe they have made the right choice..???????
>
>this question is scaring me ....just a bit
>
>also,
>if i spend $4,000 on a test lab $1,200 per shot at the real thing ,then i
>actuallly pass ,if an organisation the size of mine only needs one ...?what
>will the return on my investment B...??????   will there b so many IE out
>there that i can`t find work because i am deemed to expensive??????????
>
>  i think i will do the following
>
>CCDP ,Secuirty/pix stuff then foundry.............
>
>your thought`s and advise please
>
>steve ...MCSE,CCNA,CCNP,CCDA,CCIe written
>
>VVSAF.......Very Very Scared About the Future
>
>
>
>
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