I agree. Cisco, like Novell, teaches you HOW things
actually work rather than simply teach you their
products and their way only.
If you achieve CCIE written or lab, that knowledge is
transferable to almost any WAN platform in almost any
enviornment. Granted, the current and future salary
expectations for CCIE's or any WAN Engineers for that
matter are going down close to 15% per year, so are
salary ranges for MCSE's and CNE's.
The school I am currently attending for CCIE
written/lab is pumping out "paper" CCIE's faster than
I can say .. "help, the written ccie is almost as
worthless as the mcse"
Juniper ?? I hear their test is twice as hard as
CCIE. Mabey you should attempt that one ....
--- Niraj Palikhey wrote:
> Hello Steve,
>
> Personally,it's not about what the world thinks,
> it's what YOU think.
> Attempting the lab and passing or failing it :-(
> for ME is not about
> whether there are so many IE's out there or a $150K
> job or no job or Juniper
> lurking in the horizon, it's about one's own
> achievment and self-worth. Like
> you, I too started pulling cables through ceilings,
> bled my fingers
> (literally) by opening up x86's and some of those
> never heard brand-names,
> the Novell sh**, the Microsoft sh**, A+, N+, Citrix,
> xxNA, xxNP etc. etc.
> etc....you know the list goes on and on. It's about
> the challenge that the
> lab offers and the fun? of fixing those godam***
> problems that excites me.
> OK, I am not trying sound like a pr*** here.
>
> I personally think now after all these years, all
> these other certs are
> nothing when compared to the CCIE because they are
> written, something you
> can memorize and pass, which is what most of us have
> done. But the LAB, it's
> whether you know it or you don't? As we say at
> work..it's all in your 10
> fingers!!
>
> NO one in my parent company is certified, NO one,
> NADA - the Cisco guru,
> Unix guru, Oracle guru, NT guru etc.etc. and
> whenever I fall into problems,
> guess who helps me out?
> And I always use them as my Prime Example in my
> classes when I am trying to
> teach someone who does not know the difference b/w a
> router, switch or hub?
> God help me!!!
>
> Attempting and passing the LAB is like climbing up
> Mt. Everest which is in
> my home country, Nepal. It's not whether Hillary or
> Tenzing Norgay who
> climbed it first and the many others after them,
> it's YOU who had done it
> now. YOU.
> Ok, stop being poetic here :-)
>
> So I suggest GO FOR IT MAN!! or as you guys say
> there, CHAP :-)
> Best of Luck!!
>
> Just my 2 cents!
> Peace!!
> Kind regards,
> Niraj
>
>
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> >Subject: Passed CCIE Written but NOT doing lab
> [7:3568]
> >Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 05:31:04 -0400
> >
> >Memo from Steve Skinner of PricewaterhouseCoopers
> >
> >-------------------- Start of message text
> --------------------
> >
> >Guys,
> >
> >on saturday i passed my CCIE written ,just
> ....Horray for me ...
> >But i have decided not to go for the
> lab?????......WHY?.
> >
> >well i have been in the industry for 8yrs..and i
> have spent most of that
> >time chasing Cred`s,
> >First it was novell
> >Then it was Microsoft
> >then i side-swiped into Lotus
> >Now it is Cisco....and throughout all that time .as
> soon as i get these
> >cred`s they seem to to be worth as much as they
> were.
> >an articale taken from "the Times" about two weeks
> ago by a top london
> >recuritment agent
> >
> >"At this present time ,even though we(England) are
> in a resonable period of
> >growth ,i presently have 5 of the most sort after
> network expert CCIE
> >awatiing work"
> >
> >this got me thinking........how many CCIE does the
> world need.
> >
> >And more importantly HOW much work it there for
> CCIE`s,
> >
> >take this senario ... i presently work for a
> company that has over 12,000
> >employees in the UK....we have 1500 cisco switches
> and routers running
> >OSPF.BGP.ISDN,SMDS.,
> >yet we have only ONE CCIE...this begs the question
> ....how many org`s are
> >there out there to support all us IE.for economic
> means only why employ an
> >IE if you only need (or can get away with) an NP
> who spent the time the IE
> >did on his lab X-triaing into FOUNDRY and
> VOIP...?????
> >if we take this list for example there are plenty
> of people who are
> >extremly advanced in there skill
> >
> >Howard,Pris,Chuck,Thomas,MR roysdon....these guys
> and more don`t SEEM to
> >need the IE...maybe they have made the right
> choice..???????
> >
> >this question is scaring me ....just a bit
> >
> >also,
> >if i spend $4,000 on a test lab $1,200 per shot at
> the real thing ,then i
> >actuallly pass ,if an organisation the size of mine
> only needs one ...?what
> >will the return on my investment B...?????? will
> there b so many IE out
> >there that i can`t find work because i am deemed to
> expensive??????????
> >
> > i think i will do the following
> >
> >CCDP ,Secuirty/pix stuff then foundry.............
> >
> >your thought`s and advise please
> >
> >steve ...MCSE,CCNA,CCNP,CCDA,CCIe written
> >
> >VVSAF.......Very Very Scared About the Future
> >
> >
> >
> >
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