Interesting, you've modified the R/S track into one line instead of an
operation track and a design track.
I kinda like it, get the CCDA before the CCNP and then get the CCDP before
attempting CCIE.
I think that this would create much more "rounded" professionals, having
elements of both design and support in a cert.
I'm probably a bit biased though because that's exactly the order I took
:-) (except the CCIE part)
Kevin Wigle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Columbus"
To: "Kevin Wigle"
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, 03 June, 2001 12:18
Subject: Re: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> Kevin brings up a good point. By reducing the number of people who are
> authorized to take the lab, the waiting list for the lab will shrink. I
> think that it's time that Cisco bring the CCIE into the certification
track
> with the other certs. Personally, I found the CCIE written to be rather
> easy compared to the CID exam.
> I don't think I'd let the CCNP/CCDP be the prerequisite however. I think
> I'd rather keep the CCIE written qualifier as a separate, yet
progressively
> more difficult exam, perhaps by keeping the current content, but adding
> more questions relevant to today's large scale networks. The new order of
> certification might be CCNA, CCDA, CCNP, CCDP, CCIE Written, each
> certification being a prerequisite for the next.
> I don't necessarily think that a change to the CCIE lab is in order,
mainly
> since I've heard that while the number of people taking (or waiting to
> take) the lab has increased, the passing rate has pretty much stayed the
same.
>
> Craig
> At 04:35 PM 6/2/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> >"This has somewhat lessened the difficulty of the process (as witnessed
by
> >the
> >backlog of people taking the lab after breezing through the written)."
> >
> >When the "junior certs" were introduced, it was pondered whether they
should
> >be a pre-requisite to the CCIE written or as I have read before - make
the
> >CCNP/CCDP the pre-requisite for the lab.
> >
> >On a FAQ at one time, Cisco said that "eventually" the CCIE would become
> >part of the career certification track which was to say that you would
need
> >to go through the junior certs before attempting the CCIE.
> >
> >With the onslaught of new study material, bootcamps, virtual racks et al,
I
> >think it is time that the CCIE written be retired and the CCNP/CCDP be
the
> >CCIE lab authorization.
> >
> >Or, because the CCIE written still has stuff that is not talked about
much
> >any more (if at all) in the current R/S curriculum, then a smaller CCIE
> >written to cover those topics but integrate it into the present career
> >track. CCNA - CCNP/CCDP - CCIE Written - CCIE lab.
> >
> >This way, we could get rid of the idea of passing one exam and then
clogging
> >the calendar for the CCIE lab. If you have to get from 4 - 7 exams
before
> >the lab, that would perhaps slow things down and maybe (just maybe)
increase
> >the success rate at the lab.
> >
> >Hopefully this would stave off any loss of respect for the cert and
perhaps
> >even increase it.
> >
> >
> >Kevin Wigle
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Louie Belt"
> >To:
> >Sent: Saturday, 02 June, 2001 09:33
> >Subject: RE: Cisco moving to a one day lab? [7:6735]
> >
> >
> > > Any CCIE or CCIE candidate worth his salt would want the lab to be
> >tougher.
> > > A number of study aids are now available that were not in the past.
This
> > > has somewhat lessened the difficulty of the process (as witnessed by
the
> > > backlog of people taking the lab after breezing through the written).
> > > Making it tougher is just a method of counterbalancing all of the
> >increased
> > > study aids and maintaining the value of the CCIE cert.
> > >
> > > If you truly want to obtain your CCIE then you should want it to be as
> > > difficult as possible, otherwise where is the value in the cert? If
you
> >are
> > > not up to the challenge, then don't make the attempt.
> > >
> > > As for who should evaluate the CCIE program - most (not all)employers
> > > couldn't begin to answer the questions about what is needed from a
CCIE.
> > > The biggest employer of CCIE's is Cisco (by far) so they should
already
> >have
> > > an idea of what is needed. Cisco has been respectful enough of the
CCIE
> > > population to also ask for their input and most have given it
willingly.
> > >
> > > My main interested is in preserving the value of the CCIE cert. I am
> > > currently studying for my 2nd CCIE cert and still hope they make it
> >tougher
> > > (before I complete it). I also hope they make the recertification
tests
> > > tougher as well.
> > >
> > > I'm up to the challenge - are you?
> > >
> > >
> > > Louie
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