Jennifer,
I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational
person.
But just read this............
"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to
use from our school burner. It was registered in
a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and
him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
Right or wrong, that's what we did. "
Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes the
person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one.
Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a
great place for learning.
Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor
Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor
Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor
Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list.
They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets.
On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others.
I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then
post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are
not their work but the pricipal is the same.
Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above
the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be
useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast
suspicion on other people.
And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or
participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have
people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates
normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more insight
or impart advice/knowledge.
Take this as you will.
Kevin Wigle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping
this.
> We don't feel the same and I do not want
> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal
> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I
> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets either.
I
> am an honest person and it is pointless to
> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question.
> After accusations, answers are pointless, for
> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get caught
> up in that.
>
> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
>
> >Kevin,
> >
> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a
> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the
> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was
> posted here.
> >
> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get
> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one
> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong
> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I
> >won't worry or lose sleep over it.
> >
> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks
> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my
> >post caused you.
> >
> >Jennifer
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
> >
> >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a
> >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of
software
> >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down.
> >>
> >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and further
> >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school.
> >>
> >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the
> >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring".
> >>
> >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions to
the
> >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known that
a
> >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software piracy
> had
> >>anything to do with the academy.
> >>
> >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of
> >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the debate -
it
> >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn, the
> >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make whatever
> >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time.
> >>
> >>Why would you want to tell us about it?
> >>
> >>Kevin Wigle
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> >>To:
> >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42
> >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> >>
> >>
> >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a difference
> >>being
> >>> profiting from someones else's work and
> >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the
students
> >>went
> >>> in together and bought transcender for the
> >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it
to
> >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in
> >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning
and
> >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that
> >>transcender's
> >>> high points are the excellent explanations at
> >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not geared in
a
> >>way
> >>> however to prepare a student for what
> >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were about.
If
> >>you
> >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall
> >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning.
> >>>
> >>> People will probably disagree with me also...
> >>>
> >>> Jennifer Cribbs.
> >>> [been there, done that]
> >>>
> >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim +
> >>ccno
> >>> >sim
> >>> >i can burn you one
> >>> >:-d
> >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-)
> >>> >
> >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater
> >>> >
> >>> > wrote in message
> >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>> >> Hi to all,
> >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest
$250.00
> >>> >buying
> >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA
certification.
> >>Can
> >>> >I
> >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install
this
> to
> >>> >two
> >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)?
> >>> >> Please educate me.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Thanks,
> >>> >> Val
> >>> Have a great day!!
> >>> Jennifer
> >Have a great day!!
> >Jennifer
> >
>
> Have a great day!!
> Jennifer
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