Well, believe it or not I'm sorry that you feel that you have to unsubscribe
from the list.
I was attempting to enjoin you in a debate about what many people, not just
yourself - consider acceptable practice.
I wish you good fortune in your future endeavours.
Kevin Wigle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
To: "Kevin Wigle" ;
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn
my subscription from groupstudy..
>
> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
>
> >Jennifer,
> >
> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a
rational
> >person.
> >
> >But just read this............
> >
> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to
> >use from our school burner. It was registered in
> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and
> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. "
> >
> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes
the
> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one.
> >
> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a
> >great place for learning.
> >
> >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor
> >
> >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor
> >
> >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor
> >
> >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list.
> >
> >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets.
> >
> >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others.
> >
> >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then
> >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders
are
> >not their work but the pricipal is the same.
> >
> >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm
above
> >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be
> >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast
> >suspicion on other people.
> >
> >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list
or
> >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have
> >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates
> >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more
insight
> >or impart advice/knowledge.
> >
> >Take this as you will.
> >
> >Kevin Wigle
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM
> >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> >
> >
> >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping
> >this.
> >> We don't feel the same and I do not want
> >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal
> >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I
> >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets
either.
> >I
> >> am an honest person and it is pointless to
> >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question.
> >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for
> >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get
caught
> >> up in that.
> >>
> >> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
> >>
> >> >Kevin,
> >> >
> >> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a
> >> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the
> >> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that
was
> >> posted here.
> >> >
> >> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they
get
> >> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one
> >> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was
wrong
> >> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I
> >> >won't worry or lose sleep over it.
> >> >
> >> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda
sticks
> >> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my
> >> >post caused you.
> >> >
> >> >Jennifer
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a
> >> >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of
> >software
> >> >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down.
> >> >>
> >> >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and
further
> >> >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school.
> >> >>
> >> >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the
> >> >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring".
> >> >>
> >> >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions
to
> >the
> >> >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known
that
> >a
> >> >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software
piracy
> >> had
> >> >>anything to do with the academy.
> >> >>
> >> >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of
> >> >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the
debate -
> >it
> >> >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn,
the
> >> >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make
whatever
> >> >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time.
> >> >>
> >> >>Why would you want to tell us about it?
> >> >>
> >> >>Kevin Wigle
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> >> >>To:
> >> >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42
> >> >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a
difference
> >> >>being
> >> >>> profiting from someones else's work and
> >> >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the
> >students
> >> >>went
> >> >>> in together and bought transcender for the
> >> >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied
it
> >to
> >> >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in
> >> >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and
learning
> >and
> >> >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> >> >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that
> >> >>transcender's
> >> >>> high points are the excellent explanations at
> >> >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not geared
in
> >a
> >> >>way
> >> >>> however to prepare a student for what
> >> >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were about.
> >If
> >> >>you
> >> >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall
> >> >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> People will probably disagree with me also...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jennifer Cribbs.
> >> >>> [been there, done that]
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch
sim +
> >> >>ccno
> >> >>> >sim
> >> >>> >i can burn you one
> >> >>> >:-d
> >> >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-)
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > wrote in message
> >> >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >>> >> Hi to all,
> >> >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest
> >$250.00
> >> >>> >buying
> >> >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA
> >certification.
> >> >>Can
> >> >>> >I
> >> >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install
> >this
> >> to
> >> >>> >two
> >> >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)?
> >> >>> >> Please educate me.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Thanks,
> >> >>> >> Val
> >> >>> Have a great day!!
> >> >>> Jennifer
> >> >Have a great day!!
> >> >Jennifer
> >> >
> >>
> >> Have a great day!!
> >> Jennifer
> Have a great day!!
> Jennifer
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