"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone."
Or something.
Karl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Phillips"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> Give it a rest huh????
>
> Maybe you to ought to take your spat off-line.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Wigle"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>
>
> > Jennifer,
> >
> > I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a
rational
> > person.
> >
> > But just read this............
> >
> > "We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to
> > use from our school burner. It was registered in
> > a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning
and
> > him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> > Right or wrong, that's what we did. "
> >
> > Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes
> the
> > person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one.
> >
> > Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a
> > great place for learning.
> >
> > Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor
> >
> > Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor
> >
> > Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor
> >
> > Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list.
> >
> > They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets.
> >
> > On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others.
> >
> > I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then
> > post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders
are
> > not their work but the pricipal is the same.
> >
> > Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm
above
> > the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to
be
> > useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast
> > suspicion on other people.
> >
> > And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list
or
> > participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have
> > people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates
> > normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more
> insight
> > or impart advice/knowledge.
> >
> > Take this as you will.
> >
> > Kevin Wigle
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> > To:
> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> >
> >
> > > I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping
> > this.
> > > We don't feel the same and I do not want
> > > to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal
> > > history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I
> > > shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets
> either.
> > I
> > > am an honest person and it is pointless to
> > > continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited
question.
> > > After accusations, answers are pointless, for
> > > accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get
> caught
> > > up in that.
> > >
> > > 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
> > >
> > > >Kevin,
> > > >
> > > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a
> > > semester of school virtually inexperienced in the
> > > >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that
was
> > > posted here.
> > > >
> > > >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they
get
> > > caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one
> > > >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was
> wrong
> > > and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I
> > > >won't worry or lose sleep over it.
> > > >
> > > >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda
> sticks
> > > out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my
> > > >post caused you.
> > > >
> > > >Jennifer
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto
a
> > > >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of
> > software
> > > >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down.
> > > >>
> > > >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and
> further
> > > >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school.
> > > >>
> > > >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the
> > > >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring".
> > > >>
> > > >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions
> to
> > the
> > > >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known
> that
> > a
> > > >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software
> piracy
> > > had
> > > >>anything to do with the academy.
> > > >>
> > > >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of
> > > >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the
> debate -
> > it
> > > >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn,
> the
> > > >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make
> whatever
> > > >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time.
> > > >>
> > > >>Why would you want to tell us about it?
> > > >>
> > > >>Kevin Wigle
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> > > >>To:
> > > >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42
> > > >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a
> difference
> > > >>being
> > > >>> profiting from someones else's work and
> > > >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the
> > students
> > > >>went
> > > >>> in together and bought transcender for the
> > > >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all
copied
> it
> > to
> > > >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in
> > > >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and
> learning
> > and
> > > >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> > > >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that
> > > >>transcender's
> > > >>> high points are the excellent explanations at
> > > >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not
geared
> in
> > a
> > > >>way
> > > >>> however to prepare a student for what
> > > >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were
about.
> > If
> > > >>you
> > > >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall
> > > >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> People will probably disagree with me also...
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Jennifer Cribbs.
> > > >>> [been there, done that]
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch
sim
> +
> > > >>ccno
> > > >>> >sim
> > > >>> >i can burn you one
> > > >>> >:-d
> > > >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-)
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > wrote in message
> > > >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >>> >> Hi to all,
> > > >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest
> > $250.00
> > > >>> >buying
> > > >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA
> > certification.
> > > >>Can
> > > >>> >I
> > > >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install
> > this
> > > to
> > > >>> >two
> > > >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)?
> > > >>> >> Please educate me.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >> Thanks,
> > > >>> >> Val
> > > >>> Have a great day!!
> > > >>> Jennifer
> > > >Have a great day!!
> > > >Jennifer
> > > >
> > >
> > > Have a great day!!
> > > Jennifer
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