Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn
my subscription from groupstudy..
7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
>Jennifer,
>
>I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational
>person.
>
>But just read this............
>
>"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to
>use from our school burner. It was registered in
>a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and
>him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
>Right or wrong, that's what we did. "
>
>Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes the
>person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one.
>
>Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a
>great place for learning.
>
>Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor
>
>Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor
>
>Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor
>
>Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list.
>
>They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets.
>
>On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others.
>
>I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then
>post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are
>not their work but the pricipal is the same.
>
>Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above
>the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be
>useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast
>suspicion on other people.
>
>And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or
>participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have
>people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates
>normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more insight
>or impart advice/knowledge.
>
>Take this as you will.
>
>Kevin Wigle
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM
>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>
>
>> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping
>this.
>> We don't feel the same and I do not want
>> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal
>> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I
>> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets either.
>I
>> am an honest person and it is pointless to
>> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question.
>> After accusations, answers are pointless, for
>> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get caught
>> up in that.
>>
>> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
>>
>> >Kevin,
>> >
>> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a
>> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the
>> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was
>> posted here.
>> >
>> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get
>> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one
>> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was wrong
>> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I
>> >won't worry or lose sleep over it.
>> >
>> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda sticks
>> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my
>> >post caused you.
>> >
>> >Jennifer
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
>> >
>> >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a
>> >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of
>software
>> >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down.
>> >>
>> >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and further
>> >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school.
>> >>
>> >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the
>> >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring".
>> >>
>> >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions to
>the
>> >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known that
>a
>> >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software piracy
>> had
>> >>anything to do with the academy.
>> >>
>> >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of
>> >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the debate -
>it
>> >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn, the
>> >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make whatever
>> >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time.
>> >>
>> >>Why would you want to tell us about it?
>> >>
>> >>Kevin Wigle
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>> >>To:
>> >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42
>> >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a difference
>> >>being
>> >>> profiting from someones else's work and
>> >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the
>students
>> >>went
>> >>> in together and bought transcender for the
>> >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it
>to
>> >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in
>> >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning
>and
>> >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
>> >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that
>> >>transcender's
>> >>> high points are the excellent explanations at
>> >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not geared in
>a
>> >>way
>> >>> however to prepare a student for what
>> >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were about.
>If
>> >>you
>> >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall
>> >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning.
>> >>>
>> >>> People will probably disagree with me also...
>> >>>
>> >>> Jennifer Cribbs.
>> >>> [been there, done that]
>> >>>
>> >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim +
>> >>ccno
>> >>> >sim
>> >>> >i can burn you one
>> >>> >:-d
>> >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-)
>> >>> >
>> >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater
>> >>> >
>> >>> > wrote in message
>> >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >>> >> Hi to all,
>> >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest
>$250.00
>> >>> >buying
>> >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA
>certification.
>> >>Can
>> >>> >I
>> >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install
>this
>> to
>> >>> >two
>> >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)?
>> >>> >> Please educate me.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Thanks,
>> >>> >> Val
>> >>> Have a great day!!
>> >>> Jennifer
>> >Have a great day!!
>> >Jennifer
>> >
>>
>> Have a great day!!
>> Jennifer
Have a great day!!
Jennifer
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