Give it a rest huh????
Maybe you to ought to take your spat off-line.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Wigle"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> Jennifer,
>
> I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a rational
> person.
>
> But just read this............
>
> "We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to
> use from our school burner. It was registered in
> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and
> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> Right or wrong, that's what we did. "
>
> Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes
the
> person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one.
>
> Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a
> great place for learning.
>
> Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor
>
> Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor
>
> Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor
>
> Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list.
>
> They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets.
>
> On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others.
>
> I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then
> post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders are
> not their work but the pricipal is the same.
>
> Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm above
> the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be
> useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast
> suspicion on other people.
>
> And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list or
> participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have
> people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates
> normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more
insight
> or impart advice/knowledge.
>
> Take this as you will.
>
> Kevin Wigle
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM
> Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>
>
> > I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping
> this.
> > We don't feel the same and I do not want
> > to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal
> > history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I
> > shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets
either.
> I
> > am an honest person and it is pointless to
> > continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question.
> > After accusations, answers are pointless, for
> > accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get
caught
> > up in that.
> >
> > 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
> >
> > >Kevin,
> > >
> > >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a
> > semester of school virtually inexperienced in the
> > >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that was
> > posted here.
> > >
> > >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they get
> > caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one
> > >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was
wrong
> > and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I
> > >won't worry or lose sleep over it.
> > >
> > >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda
sticks
> > out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my
> > >post caused you.
> > >
> > >Jennifer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
> > >
> > >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a
> > >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of
> software
> > >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down.
> > >>
> > >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and
further
> > >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school.
> > >>
> > >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the
> > >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring".
> > >>
> > >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions
to
> the
> > >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known
that
> a
> > >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software
piracy
> > had
> > >>anything to do with the academy.
> > >>
> > >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of
> > >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the
debate -
> it
> > >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn,
the
> > >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make
whatever
> > >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time.
> > >>
> > >>Why would you want to tell us about it?
> > >>
> > >>Kevin Wigle
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> > >>To:
> > >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42
> > >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a
difference
> > >>being
> > >>> profiting from someones else's work and
> > >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the
> students
> > >>went
> > >>> in together and bought transcender for the
> > >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied
it
> to
> > >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in
> > >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and
learning
> and
> > >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> > >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that
> > >>transcender's
> > >>> high points are the excellent explanations at
> > >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not geared
in
> a
> > >>way
> > >>> however to prepare a student for what
> > >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were about.
> If
> > >>you
> > >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall
> > >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning.
> > >>>
> > >>> People will probably disagree with me also...
> > >>>
> > >>> Jennifer Cribbs.
> > >>> [been there, done that]
> > >>>
> > >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch sim
+
> > >>ccno
> > >>> >sim
> > >>> >i can burn you one
> > >>> >:-d
> > >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-)
> > >>> >
> > >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater
> > >>> >
> > >>> > wrote in message
> > >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>> >> Hi to all,
> > >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest
> $250.00
> > >>> >buying
> > >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA
> certification.
> > >>Can
> > >>> >I
> > >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install
> this
> > to
> > >>> >two
> > >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)?
> > >>> >> Please educate me.
> > >>> >>
> > >>> >> Thanks,
> > >>> >> Val
> > >>> Have a great day!!
> > >>> Jennifer
> > >Have a great day!!
> > >Jennifer
> > >
> >
> > Have a great day!!
> > Jennifer
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