Hal, the blue sedan is here and there getting out....what do I do??
Jenn
p.s. [Anyone know anything about yahoo mail and anonyminity issues?]
7/9/2001 10:12:30 AM, "hal9001" wrote:
>Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne.
>
>I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around and brown
>nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite capable of
>protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me:
>"Seig Heil".
>
>K
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM
>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>
>
>> I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful
>> contributions from the people that make this site
>> special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the
>> disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we
>> had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful
>> instructor that cared about us and helped us.
>> They had special group studies on varied topics that people could
>> participate in if they chose. We had dinners
>> together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting
>> through our classes and passing our first cert
>> together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody.
>Academically,
>> it was a great environment and too bad more
>> aren't the same and are conductive to learning.
>>
>> Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal
>classroom
>> is the closest thing I have to college. And
>> right now, I am just discouraged...
>>
>> It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a
>debate
>> but over pertinent issues that matter in the
>> long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but
>it
>> is, like I said, very distracting for me from a
>> personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of
>> Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I
>> bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the
>answers
>> I have seen posted by them on this site
>> and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on
>> certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I
>> have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from
>them.
>> But I have not stolen anything from
>> them Phil as was implied by Wigle.
>>
>> And you are right..this is ridiculous....I enjoy this site too much for
>one
>> Wigle to run me off.
>> I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the
>> haggling lawyers ....
>>
>> Jenn
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote:
>>
>> >What !!!
>> >
>> >Now this is ridiculous !!!! Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail
>the
>> >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares.
>> >
>> >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far...
>> >Phil
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>> >To:
>> >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM
>> >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>> >
>> >
>> >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have
>withdrawn
>> >> my subscription from groupstudy..
>> >>
>> >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Jennifer,
>> >> >
>> >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a
>> >rational
>> >> >person.
>> >> >
>> >> >But just read this............
>> >> >
>> >> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to
>> >> >use from our school burner. It was registered in
>> >> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning
>and
>> >> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
>> >> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. "
>> >> >
>> >> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally
>includes
>> >the
>> >> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one.
>> >> >
>> >> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such
>a
>> >> >great place for learning.
>> >> >
>> >> >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor
>> >> >
>> >> >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor
>> >> >
>> >> >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor
>> >> >
>> >> >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list.
>> >> >
>> >> >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets.
>> >> >
>> >> >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and
>others.
>> >> >
>> >> >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and
>then
>> >> >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders
>> >are
>> >> >not their work but the pricipal is the same.
>> >> >
>> >> >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm
>> >above
>> >> >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to
>be
>> >> >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast
>> >> >suspicion on other people.
>> >> >
>> >> >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email
>list
>> >or
>> >> >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to
>have
>> >> >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates
>> >> >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more
>> >insight
>> >> >or impart advice/knowledge.
>> >> >
>> >> >Take this as you will.
>> >> >
>> >> >Kevin Wigle
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>> >> >From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>> >> >To:
>> >> >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM
>> >> >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am
>stopping
>> >> >this.
>> >> >> We don't feel the same and I do not want
>> >> >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my
>personal
>> >> >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I
>> >> >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets
>> >either.
>> >> >I
>> >> >> am an honest person and it is pointless to
>> >> >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited
>question.
>> >> >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for
>> >> >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get
>> >caught
>> >> >> up in that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >Kevin,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in
>a
>> >> >> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the
>> >> >> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that
>> >was
>> >> >> posted here.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they
>> >get
>> >> >> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one
>> >> >> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was
>> >wrong
>> >> >> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I
>> >> >> >won't worry or lose sleep over it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda
>> >sticks
>> >> >> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my
>> >> >> >post caused you.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Jennifer
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go
>onto a
>> >> >> >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of
>> >> >software
>> >> >> >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and
>> >further
>> >> >> >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the
>> >> >> >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my
>indiscretions
>> >to
>> >> >the
>> >> >> >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known
>> >that
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software
>> >piracy
>> >> >> had
>> >> >> >>anything to do with the academy.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems
>of
>> >> >> >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the
>> >debate -
>> >> >it
>> >> >> >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be
>withdrawn,
>> >the
>> >> >> >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make
>> >whatever
>> >> >> >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Why would you want to tell us about it?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Kevin Wigle
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>> >> >> >>To:
>> >> >> >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42
>> >> >> >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a
>> >difference
>> >> >> >>being
>> >> >> >>> profiting from someones else's work and
>> >> >> >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the
>> >> >students
>> >> >> >>went
>> >> >> >>> in together and bought transcender for the
>> >> >> >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all
>copied
>> >it
>> >> >to
>> >> >> >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in
>> >> >> >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and
>> >learning
>> >> >and
>> >> >> >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
>> >> >> >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that
>> >> >> >>transcender's
>> >> >> >>> high points are the excellent explanations at
>> >> >> >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not
>geared
>> >in
>> >> >a
>> >> >> >>way
>> >> >> >>> however to prepare a student for what
>> >> >> >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were
>about.
>> >> >If
>> >> >> >>you
>> >> >> >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall
>> >> >> >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> People will probably disagree with me also...
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Jennifer Cribbs.
>> >> >> >>> [been there, done that]
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch
>> >sim +
>> >> >> >>ccno
>> >> >> >>> >sim
>> >> >> >>> >i can burn you one
>> >> >> >>> >:-d
>> >> >> >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-)
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater
>> >> >> >>> >
>> >> >> >>> > wrote in message
>> >> >> >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> >>> >> Hi to all,
>> >> >> >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest
>> >> >$250.00
>> >> >> >>> >buying
>> >> >> >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA
>> >> >certification.
>> >> >> >>Can
>> >> >> >>> >I
>> >> >> >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously
>install
>> >> >this
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >>> >two
>> >> >> >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)?
>> >> >> >>> >> Please educate me.
>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >>> >> Thanks,
>> >> >> >>> >> Val
>> >> >> >>> Have a great day!!
>> >> >> >>> Jennifer
>> >> >> >Have a great day!!
>> >> >> >Jennifer
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Have a great day!!
>> >> >> Jennifer
>> >> Have a great day!!
>> >> Jennifer
>> Have a great day!!
>> Jennifer
Have a great day!!
Jennifer
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