A good 5 hrs sleep is all anybody needs....
Or the answer might be :
"Same as you...to read and write".
Jenn
7/9/2001 10:58:06 AM, "Kazan, Naim" wrote:
>I thought the freaks come out at night. Why are you people up so early
>for....
>
>
>Naim Kazan
>Fidelity Investments FISC-T
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>212-335-5586
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jennifer Cribbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:56 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>
>
>Hal, the blue sedan is here and there getting out....what do I do??
>
>Jenn
>
>p.s. [Anyone know anything about yahoo mail and anonyminity issues?]
>
>7/9/2001 10:12:30 AM, "hal9001" wrote:
>
>>Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne.
>>
>>I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around and brown
>>nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite capable of
>>protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me:
>>"Seig Heil".
>>
>>K
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>>To:
>>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>>
>>
>>> I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful
>>> contributions from the people that make this site
>>> special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the
>>> disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we
>>> had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful
>>> instructor that cared about us and helped us.
>>> They had special group studies on varied topics that people could
>>> participate in if they chose. We had dinners
>>> together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting
>>> through our classes and passing our first cert
>>> together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody.
>>Academically,
>>> it was a great environment and too bad more
>>> aren't the same and are conductive to learning.
>>>
>>> Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal
>>classroom
>>> is the closest thing I have to college. And
>>> right now, I am just discouraged...
>>>
>>> It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a
>>debate
>>> but over pertinent issues that matter in the
>>> long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but
>>it
>>> is, like I said, very distracting for me from a
>>> personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of
>>> Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I
>>> bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the
>>answers
>>> I have seen posted by them on this site
>>> and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on
>>> certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I
>>> have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from
>>them.
>>> But I have not stolen anything from
>>> them Phil as was implied by Wigle.
>>>
>>> And you are right..this is ridiculous....I enjoy this site too much for
>>one
>>> Wigle to run me off.
>>> I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the
>>> haggling lawyers ....
>>>
>>> Jenn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote:
>>>
>>> >What !!!
>>> >
>>> >Now this is ridiculous !!!! Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail
>>the
>>> >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares.
>>> >
>>> >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far...
>>> >Phil
>>> >
>>> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>>> >To:
>>> >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM
>>> >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have
>>withdrawn
>>> >> my subscription from groupstudy..
>>> >>
>>> >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >Jennifer,
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a
>>> >rational
>>> >> >person.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >But just read this............
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to
>>> >> >use from our school burner. It was registered in
>>> >> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning
>>and
>>> >> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
>>> >> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. "
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally
>>includes
>>> >the
>>> >> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such
>>a
>>> >> >great place for learning.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and
>>others.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and
>>then
>>> >> >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The
>Transcenders
>>> >are
>>> >> >not their work but the pricipal is the same.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm
>>> >above
>>> >> >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found
>to
>>be
>>> >> >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly
>cast
>>> >> >suspicion on other people.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email
>>list
>>> >or
>>> >> >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to
>>have
>>> >> >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such
>debates
>>> >> >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more
>>> >insight
>>> >> >or impart advice/knowledge.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Take this as you will.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >Kevin Wigle
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>>> >> >To:
>>> >> >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM
>>> >> >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am
>>stopping
>>> >> >this.
>>> >> >> We don't feel the same and I do not want
>>> >> >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my
>>personal
>>> >> >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I
>>> >> >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets
>>> >either.
>>> >> >I
>>> >> >> am an honest person and it is pointless to
>>> >> >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited
>>question.
>>> >> >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for
>>> >> >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get
>>> >caught
>>> >> >> up in that.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >Kevin,
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are
>in
>>a
>>> >> >> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the
>>> >> >> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail
>that
>>> >was
>>> >> >> posted here.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault
>they
>>> >get
>>> >> >> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one
>>> >> >> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was
>>> >wrong
>>> >> >> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I
>>> >> >> >won't worry or lose sleep over it.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda
>>> >sticks
>>> >> >> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my
>>> >> >> >post caused you.
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >Jennifer
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go
>>onto a
>>> >> >> >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of
>>> >> >software
>>> >> >> >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and
>>> >further
>>> >> >> >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the
>>> >> >> >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring".
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my
>>indiscretions
>>> >to
>>> >> >the
>>> >> >> >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be
>known
>>> >that
>>> >> >a
>>> >> >> >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software
>>> >piracy
>>> >> >> had
>>> >> >> >>anything to do with the academy.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems
>>of
>>> >> >> >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the
>>> >debate -
>>> >> >it
>>> >> >> >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be
>>withdrawn,
>>> >the
>>> >> >> >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make
>>> >whatever
>>> >> >> >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time.
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Why would you want to tell us about it?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>Kevin Wigle
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>----- Original Message -----
>>> >> >> >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>>> >> >> >>To:
>>> >> >> >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42
>>> >> >> >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a
>>> >difference
>>> >> >> >>being
>>> >> >> >>> profiting from someones else's work and
>>> >> >> >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the
>>> >> >students
>>> >> >> >>went
>>> >> >> >>> in together and bought transcender for the
>>> >> >> >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all
>>copied
>>> >it
>>> >> >to
>>> >> >> >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in
>>> >> >> >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and
>>> >learning
>>> >> >and
>>> >> >> >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
>>> >> >> >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that
>>> >> >> >>transcender's
>>> >> >> >>> high points are the excellent explanations at
>>> >> >> >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not
>>geared
>>> >in
>>> >> >a
>>> >> >> >>way
>>> >> >> >>> however to prepare a student for what
>>> >> >> >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were
>>about.
>>> >> >If
>>> >> >> >>you
>>> >> >> >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall
>>> >> >> >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning.
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> People will probably disagree with me also...
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> Jennifer Cribbs.
>>> >> >> >>> [been there, done that]
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote:
>>> >> >> >>>
>>> >> >> >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and
>switch
>>> >sim +
>>> >> >> >>ccno
>>> >> >> >>> >sim
>>> >> >> >>> >i can burn you one
>>> >> >> >>> >:-d
>>> >> >> >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-)
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater
>>> >> >> >>> >
>>> >> >> >>> > wrote in message
>>> >> >> >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> >> >> >>> >> Hi to all,
>>> >> >> >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to
>invest
>>> >> >$250.00
>>> >> >> >>> >buying
>>> >> >> >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA
>>> >> >certification.
>>> >> >> >>Can
>>> >> >> >>> >I
>>> >> >> >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously
>>install
>>> >> >this
>>> >> >> to
>>> >> >> >>> >two
>>> >> >> >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)?
>>> >> >> >>> >> Please educate me.
>>> >> >> >>> >>
>>> >> >> >>> >> Thanks,
>>> >> >> >>> >> Val
>>> >> >> >>> Have a great day!!
>>> >> >> >>> Jennifer
>>> >> >> >Have a great day!!
>>> >> >> >Jennifer
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Have a great day!!
>>> >> >> Jennifer
>>> >> Have a great day!!
>>> >> Jennifer
>>> Have a great day!!
>>> Jennifer
>Have a great day!!
>Jennifer
Have a great day!!
Jennifer
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