I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful
contributions from the people that make this site
special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the
disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we
had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful
instructor that cared about us and helped us.
They had special group studies on varied topics that people could
participate in if they chose. We had dinners
together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting
through our classes and passing our first cert
together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody. Academically,
it was a great environment and too bad more
aren't the same and are conductive to learning.
Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal classroom
is the closest thing I have to college. And
right now, I am just discouraged...
It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a debate
but over pertinent issues that matter in the
long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues, but it
is, like I said, very distracting for me from a
personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one of
Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I
bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the answers
I have seen posted by them on this site
and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on
certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I
have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from them.
But I have not stolen anything from
them Phil as was implied by Wigle.
And you are right..this is ridiculous....I enjoy this site too much for one
Wigle to run me off.
I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the
haggling lawyers ....
Jenn
7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote:
>What !!!
>
>Now this is ridiculous !!!! Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail the
>rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares.
>
>I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far...
>Phil
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>To:
>Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM
>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>
>
>> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have withdrawn
>> my subscription from groupstudy..
>>
>> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
>>
>> >Jennifer,
>> >
>> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a
>rational
>> >person.
>> >
>> >But just read this............
>> >
>> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to
>> >use from our school burner. It was registered in
>> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and learning and
>> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
>> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. "
>> >
>> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally includes
>the
>> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one.
>> >
>> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list such a
>> >great place for learning.
>> >
>> >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor
>> >
>> >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor
>> >
>> >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor
>> >
>> >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list.
>> >
>> >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets.
>> >
>> >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and others.
>> >
>> >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and then
>> >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The Transcenders
>are
>> >not their work but the pricipal is the same.
>> >
>> >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm
>above
>> >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found to be
>> >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly cast
>> >suspicion on other people.
>> >
>> >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email list
>or
>> >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to have
>> >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such debates
>> >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more
>insight
>> >or impart advice/knowledge.
>> >
>> >Take this as you will.
>> >
>> >Kevin Wigle
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>> >To:
>> >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM
>> >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>> >
>> >
>> >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am stopping
>> >this.
>> >> We don't feel the same and I do not want
>> >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my personal
>> >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I
>> >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets
>either.
>> >I
>> >> am an honest person and it is pointless to
>> >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited question.
>> >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for
>> >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to get
>caught
>> >> up in that.
>> >>
>> >> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Kevin,
>> >> >
>> >> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are in a
>> >> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the
>> >> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail that
>was
>> >> posted here.
>> >> >
>> >> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault they
>get
>> >> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one
>> >> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I was
>wrong
>> >> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I
>> >> >won't worry or lose sleep over it.
>> >> >
>> >> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just kinda
>sticks
>> >> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my
>> >> >post caused you.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jennifer
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go onto a
>> >> >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of
>> >software
>> >> >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and
>further
>> >> >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the
>> >> >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring".
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my indiscretions
>to
>> >the
>> >> >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be known
>that
>> >a
>> >> >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence) software
>piracy
>> >> had
>> >> >>anything to do with the academy.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the problems of
>> >> >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the
>debate -
>> >it
>> >> >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be withdrawn,
>the
>> >> >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make
>whatever
>> >> >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Why would you want to tell us about it?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Kevin Wigle
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >> >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
>> >> >>To:
>> >> >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42
>> >> >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a
>difference
>> >> >>being
>> >> >>> profiting from someones else's work and
>> >> >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the
>> >students
>> >> >>went
>> >> >>> in together and bought transcender for the
>> >> >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied
>it
>> >to
>> >> >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in
>> >> >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and
>learning
>> >and
>> >> >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
>> >> >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that
>> >> >>transcender's
>> >> >>> high points are the excellent explanations at
>> >> >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not geared
>in
>> >a
>> >> >>way
>> >> >>> however to prepare a student for what
>> >> >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were about.
>> >If
>> >> >>you
>> >> >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall
>> >> >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> People will probably disagree with me also...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Jennifer Cribbs.
>> >> >>> [been there, done that]
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and switch
>sim +
>> >> >>ccno
>> >> >>> >sim
>> >> >>> >i can burn you one
>> >> >>> >:-d
>> >> >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-)
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > wrote in message
>> >> >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >>> >> Hi to all,
>> >> >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to invest
>> >$250.00
>> >> >>> >buying
>> >> >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA
>> >certification.
>> >> >>Can
>> >> >>> >I
>> >> >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously install
>> >this
>> >> to
>> >> >>> >two
>> >> >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)?
>> >> >>> >> Please educate me.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Thanks,
>> >> >>> >> Val
>> >> >>> Have a great day!!
>> >> >>> Jennifer
>> >> >Have a great day!!
>> >> >Jennifer
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Have a great day!!
>> >> Jennifer
>> Have a great day!!
>> Jennifer
Have a great day!!
Jennifer
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