I was hoping to just let it die but the "Seig Heil" is just a little over
the top.
What is so difficult to understand about buying a single copy of any piece
of software and then burning copies? (and then telling the world about it)
The scenario I painted doesn't require much imagination.
And I'm not trying to run anybody off. But what I said should "distract"
anybody that does this openly.
Kevin Wigle
----- Original Message -----
From: "hal9001"
To:
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> Yes Messers - Sue, Grabbit and Runne.
>
> I find it amazing that there are those who slavishly chase around and
brown
> nose themselves with big business and the powerful who are quite capable
of
> protecting themselves. Sad. Now every one say after me:
> "Seig Heil".
>
> K
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> To:
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:12 PM
> Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
>
>
> > I have worked so hard studying and have loved all the wonderful
> > contributions from the people that make this site
> > special. But I am not a thief Phil...I really am not. We bought the
> > disk..We didn't steal it. We all paid money that we
> > had saved so we could study and pass our tests. We had a wonderful
> > instructor that cared about us and helped us.
> > They had special group studies on varied topics that people could
> > participate in if they chose. We had dinners
> > together. We were all involved together on a common mission of getting
> > through our classes and passing our first cert
> > together. I was not trying to implicate anything or anybody.
> Academically,
> > it was a great environment and too bad more
> > aren't the same and are conductive to learning.
> >
> > Since those times are past, this group, without it being a formal
> classroom
> > is the closest thing I have to college. And
> > right now, I am just discouraged...
> >
> > It is greatly distracting me from what my goals are. I do not mind a
> debate
> > but over pertinent issues that matter in the
> > long run from a 'cert viewpoint' but this is not one of those issues,
but
> it
> > is, like I said, very distracting for me from a
> > personal standpoint regarding my studying. I have never even read one
of
> > Howards, Priscilla's or Tom's books, but I
> > bet they are good. Of course, I am only assuming that based on the
> answers
> > I have seen posted by them on this site
> > and the 'free' study material compiled by them posted on
> > certificationzone.com that is available on a monthly basis that I
> > have read. Those people are why I stayed, because you can learn from
> them.
> > But I have not stolen anything from
> > them Phil as was implied by Wigle.
> >
> > And you are right..this is ridiculous....I enjoy this site too much for
> one
> > Wigle to run me off.
> > I guess I will just wait for the dark blue sedan to pull up with all the
> > haggling lawyers ....
> >
> > Jenn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 7/9/2001 9:30:48 AM, "Circusnuts" wrote:
> >
> > >What !!!
> > >
> > >Now this is ridiculous !!!! Jennifer- unless you're getting hate mail
> the
> > >rest us are not seeing, no one else on this list cares.
> > >
> > >I enjoy you posts & am surprised Kevin has carried things this far...
> > >Phil
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> > >To:
> > >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:18 AM
> > >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> > >
> > >
> > >> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have
> withdrawn
> > >> my subscription from groupstudy..
> > >>
> > >> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >Jennifer,
> > >> >
> > >> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a
> > >rational
> > >> >person.
> > >> >
> > >> >But just read this............
> > >> >
> > >> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to
> > >> >use from our school burner. It was registered in
> > >> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and
learning
> and
> > >> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> > >> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. "
> > >> >
> > >> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally
> includes
> > >the
> > >> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one.
> > >> >
> > >> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list
such
> a
> > >> >great place for learning.
> > >> >
> > >> >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor
> > >> >
> > >> >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor
> > >> >
> > >> >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor
> > >> >
> > >> >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list.
> > >> >
> > >> >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it gets.
> > >> >
> > >> >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and
> others.
> > >> >
> > >> >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and
> then
> > >> >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The
Transcenders
> > >are
> > >> >not their work but the pricipal is the same.
> > >> >
> > >> >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying I'm
> > >above
> > >> >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found
to
> be
> > >> >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly
cast
> > >> >suspicion on other people.
> > >> >
> > >> >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email
> list
> > >or
> > >> >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to
> have
> > >> >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such
debates
> > >> >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more
> > >insight
> > >> >or impart advice/knowledge.
> > >> >
> > >> >Take this as you will.
> > >> >
> > >> >Kevin Wigle
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > >> >From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> > >> >To:
> > >> >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM
> > >> >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am
> stopping
> > >> >this.
> > >> >> We don't feel the same and I do not want
> > >> >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my
> personal
> > >> >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I
> > >> >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping secrets
> > >either.
> > >> >I
> > >> >> am an honest person and it is pointless to
> > >> >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited
> question.
> > >> >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for
> > >> >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to
get
> > >caught
> > >> >> up in that.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >Kevin,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are
in
> a
> > >> >> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the
> > >> >> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail
that
> > >was
> > >> >> posted here.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault
they
> > >get
> > >> >> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one
> > >> >> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I
was
> > >wrong
> > >> >> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I
> > >> >> >won't worry or lose sleep over it.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just
kinda
> > >sticks
> > >> >> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my
> > >> >> >post caused you.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >Jennifer
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go
> onto a
> > >> >> >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty of
> > >> >software
> > >> >> >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and
> > >further
> > >> >> >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school, the
> > >> >> >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring".
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my
> indiscretions
> > >to
> > >> >the
> > >> >> >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be
known
> > >that
> > >> >a
> > >> >> >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence)
software
> > >piracy
> > >> >> had
> > >> >> >>anything to do with the academy.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the
problems
> of
> > >> >> >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the
> > >debate -
> > >> >it
> > >> >> >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be
> withdrawn,
> > >the
> > >> >> >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make
> > >whatever
> > >> >> >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time.
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>Why would you want to tell us about it?
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>Kevin Wigle
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> > >> >> >>To:
> > >> >> >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42
> > >> >> >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a
> > >difference
> > >> >> >>being
> > >> >> >>> profiting from someones else's work and
> > >> >> >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all the
> > >> >students
> > >> >> >>went
> > >> >> >>> in together and bought transcender for the
> > >> >> >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all
> copied
> > >it
> > >> >to
> > >> >> >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in
> > >> >> >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and
> > >learning
> > >> >and
> > >> >> >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> > >> >> >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that
> > >> >> >>transcender's
> > >> >> >>> high points are the excellent explanations at
> > >> >> >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not
> geared
> > >in
> > >> >a
> > >> >> >>way
> > >> >> >>> however to prepare a student for what
> > >> >> >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were
> about.
> > >> >If
> > >> >> >>you
> > >> >> >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall
> > >> >> >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning.
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> People will probably disagree with me also...
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> Jennifer Cribbs.
> > >> >> >>> [been there, done that]
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote:
> > >> >> >>>
> > >> >> >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and
switch
> > >sim +
> > >> >> >>ccno
> > >> >> >>> >sim
> > >> >> >>> >i can burn you one
> > >> >> >>> >:-d
> > >> >> >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-)
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater
> > >> >> >>> >
> > >> >> >>> > wrote in message
> > >> >> >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >> >>> >> Hi to all,
> > >> >> >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to
invest
> > >> >$250.00
> > >> >> >>> >buying
> > >> >> >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA
> > >> >certification.
> > >> >> >>Can
> > >> >> >>> >I
> > >> >> >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously
> install
> > >> >this
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> >>> >two
> > >> >> >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)?
> > >> >> >>> >> Please educate me.
> > >> >> >>> >>
> > >> >> >>> >> Thanks,
> > >> >> >>> >> Val
> > >> >> >>> Have a great day!!
> > >> >> >>> Jennifer
> > >> >> >Have a great day!!
> > >> >> >Jennifer
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Have a great day!!
> > >> >> Jennifer
> > >> Have a great day!!
> > >> Jennifer
> > Have a great day!!
> > Jennifer
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