Jennifer,
It seems to me that you are taking Kevin's words too harshly and I hope
you reconsider your decision to leave the group. You contributions are
always welcome.
In this case, Kevin was simply warning you about the dangers of
pirating training software and/or materials and then posting to that
effect on a mailing list. At some point, we've all done similar things
whether it was training materials, desktop software, or games. The
point is that a large number of people that create those training
materials are contributors to this list. What if it had been
CertificationZone material that had been pirated? I'm sure that would
upset more than a few list members! Or maybe it was Sybex or
McGraw-Hill or Wiley materials. We have authors from all of those
companies on this list.
Kevin was simply suggesting that it might not be wise to admit to
pirating training materials in a forum made up so largely of people that
create training materials! That seems to be wise advice.
Okay, enough of that! Let's get back to some technical discussions!
Regards,
John
>>> "Kevin Wigle" 7/9/01 8:31:36 AM >>>
Well, believe it or not I'm sorry that you feel that you have to
unsubscribe
from the list.
I was attempting to enjoin you in a debate about what many people, not
just
yourself - consider acceptable practice.
I wish you good fortune in your future endeavours.
Kevin Wigle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
To: "Kevin Wigle" ;
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> Rational or otherwise, an already convicted thief or not, I have
withdrawn
my subscription from groupstudy..
>
> 7/9/2001 8:42:33 AM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
>
> >Jennifer,
> >
> >I'm not condemning you. I've read your posts and I thought you a
rational
> >person.
> >
> >But just read this............
> >
> >"We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all copied it to
> >use from our school burner. It was registered in
> >a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and
learning and
> >him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> >Right or wrong, that's what we did. "
> >
> >Can't get much closer to a confession than that. "We" normally
includes
the
> >person talking but I'll let the lawyers haggle that one.
> >
> >Anyway, think of all the people on this list that make this list
such a
> >great place for learning.
> >
> >Howard Berkowitz, Author and Instructor
> >
> >Tom Lisa, Author and Instructor
> >
> >Priscilla Oppenheimer, Author and Instructor
> >
> >Not to mention the many CCIE's on the list.
> >
> >They give their time freely to the list which is as good as it
gets.
> >
> >On the other hand, some people still want to steal from them and
others.
> >
> >I just can't seem to reconcile how anybody can steal their work and
then
> >post to a mailing list where they contribute freely. The
Transcenders
are
> >not their work but the pricipal is the same.
> >
> >Like I said, I have used "evaluation" software so I'm not saying
I'm
above
> >the same issues, but I have bought legal copies of anything I found
to be
> >useful. Also, I don't post to a publc place that may unwittingly
cast
> >suspicion on other people.
> >
> >And just one more thing, if you continue to post to a public email
list
or
> >participate in any public endeavor - then you should be prepared to
have
> >people question your actions and for you to defend them. Such
debates
> >normally are not meant to destroy the other person but to gain more
insight
> >or impart advice/knowledge.
> >
> >Take this as you will.
> >
> >Kevin Wigle
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> >To:
> >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:45 AM
> >Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> >
> >
> >> I am not used to being a defender of my actions Kevin. I am
stopping
> >this.
> >> We don't feel the same and I do not want
> >> to be placed in the positon of having to defend a point in my
personal
> >> history that you disagree with me about. Maybe I
> >> shouldn't have said anything, but I am not used to keeping
secrets
either.
> >I
> >> am an honest person and it is pointless to
> >> continue this. I should not have even replied to your baited
question.
> >> After accusations, answers are pointless, for
> >> accusations only breed a heated response, and I am not going to
get
caught
> >> up in that.
> >>
> >> 7/8/2001 11:43:43 PM, Jennifer Cribbs wrote:
> >>
> >> >Kevin,
> >> >
> >> >I am not saying I am guilty of anything...You are! When you are
in a
> >> semester of school virtually inexperienced in the
> >> >computer realm, things happen. I am merely replying to a mail
that
was
> >> posted here.
> >> >
> >> >You think it is a soft piracy ring??...and it will be my fault
they
get
> >> caught??...I don't think so Kevin. You are the one
> >> >who is wrong. I was the student on a learning quest. And if I
was
wrong
> >> and this is the worst thing I ever do, then I
> >> >won't worry or lose sleep over it.
> >> >
> >> >There are so few indescretions in my life that this one just
kinda
sticks
> >> out and came to mind...Sorry for the stress my
> >> >post caused you.
> >> >
> >> >Jennifer
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >7/8/2001 8:41:46 PM, "Kevin Wigle" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>In today's litigious world, I'm surprised that anyone would go
onto a
> >> >>respected mailing list and publicly admit that they're guilty
of
> >software
> >> >>piracy and provide enough details to be tracked down.
> >> >>
> >> >>Then further implicate the school by using their equipment and
further
> >> >>implicate a "co-instructor" at the school.
> >> >>
> >> >>I'm sure it wouldn't take much sleuthing to find the school,
the
> >> >>co-instructor's name and the entire "ring".
> >> >>
> >> >>I'm not saying I'm lily white but I don't advertise my
indiscretions
to
> >the
> >> >>world. I'm sure a company like Cisco does not want it to be
known
that
> >a
> >> >>school allowed (either explicitly or through negligence)
software
piracy
> >> had
> >> >>anything to do with the academy.
> >> >>
> >> >>At the end of the day it is theft, we can all debate the
problems of
> >> >>obtaining affordable training/schooling, but at the end of the
debate -
> >it
> >> >>is theft. The school could be sued, the academy could be
withdrawn,
the
> >> >>co-instructor could lose his job and legal expenses could make
whatever
> >> >>profit you thought you made unavailable for a long time.
> >> >>
> >> >>Why would you want to tell us about it?
> >> >>
> >> >>Kevin Wigle
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>From: "Jennifer Cribbs"
> >> >>To:
> >> >>Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 17:42
> >> >>Subject: Re: RouterSim 3.0 [7:11342]
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> Personally, I think it's good to help people and there is a
difference
> >> >>being
> >> >>> profiting from someones else's work and
> >> >>> helping people trying to learn. When I was in school, all
the
> >students
> >> >>went
> >> >>> in together and bought transcender for the
> >> >>> ccna. We couldn't afford it otherwise. None of us. We all
copied
it
> >to
> >> >>> use from our school burner. It was registered in
> >> >>> a co-instructors name. It was all about wanting to pass and
learning
> >and
> >> >>> him helping us. Not cheating or pirating.
> >> >>> Right or wrong, that's what we did. And I will also add that
> >> >>transcender's
> >> >>> high points are the excellent explanations at
> >> >>> the end of each question. The questions themselves were not
geared
in
> >a
> >> >>way
> >> >>> however to prepare a student for what
> >> >>> was coming and the structure of what the real questions were
about.
> >If
> >> >>you
> >> >>> didn't study the explanations, you might fall
> >> >>> into that trap of memorizing and not learning.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> People will probably disagree with me also...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Jennifer Cribbs.
> >> >>> [been there, done that]
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 7/8/2001 2:46:10 PM, "PHIMHONGKONG" wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have router sim 2.1 and
switch
sim +
> >> >>ccno
> >> >>> >sim
> >> >>> >i can burn you one
> >> >>> >:-d
> >> >>> >i dont sell pirate software . i am helping you to study :-)
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >poeple please dont say i am pirater
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > wrote in message
> >> >>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >>> >> Hi to all,
> >> >>> >> For anybody who own a RouterSim 3.0. I am planning to
invest
> >$250.00
> >> >>> >buying
> >> >>> >> RouterSim 3.0 router simulator to preopare for my CCNA
> >certification.
> >> >>Can
> >> >>> >I
> >> >>> >> burn a copy of this as my back-up? Can I simultaneously
install
> >this
> >> to
> >> >>> >two
> >> >>> >> hard drives (i.e, to a desk top and to a lap top)?
> >> >>> >> Please educate me.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Thanks,
> >> >>> >> Val
> >> >>> Have a great day!!
> >> >>> Jennifer
> >> >Have a great day!!
> >> >Jennifer
> >> >
> >>
> >> Have a great day!!
> >> Jennifer
> Have a great day!!
> Jennifer
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