Bugger off Sean!  You've got quite a bit of nerve to presume that all CCIEs
are created equal and share the same backgrounds.  Some CCIEs are quite
proficient in Unix and other disciplines while others prefer to stay more
focused on Cisco centric solutions (nothing wrong with either option).  Lets
approach it from a different angle shall we?  Lets say you were an emergency
room physician and while during the course of an unusually busy evening, you
approached a group of podiatrists(highly trained, and amply educated
SPECIALISTS), to see if they could lend a hand and keep things afloat.  A
gun shot victim is admitted to the ER and our resident hero is nowhere to be
found leaving only our fearless SPECIALIST to deal with something completely
foreign to him.  Would you fault the podiatrist who when left to realms that
he is facil in dominates his speciality or would you penalize the numbskull
ER doc who assumes that all DRs are created equal.

Toodles,

Will

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Sean Young
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:15 PM
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Subject: what's wrong with CCIE today? [7:13151]


What's wrong with CCIEs today?  I know that I am making a general
assumptions; however,this is the second time that it has happend to the
company that I work for.  We have several tacacs servers that use to
authenticate users.  These tacacs servers are running on a combination of
Linux and Solaris platforms.  While I was away at the Networker
Conference, one of our tacacs servers (solaris) die due to hardware
failure and the amazingly the tacacs process on the Linux die.  Because
of this, everyone has to login to the routers and switches via local
account.  We hire these CCIEs to maintain the network while I am away for
a few weeks.  None of these CCIEs have any background with tacacs servers
running on Unix platforms.  As to our problems, the simple to do is just
to restart the tacacs process byfirst:  "killall tac_plus" and second
"/usr/sbin/tac_plus -C /etc/tacacs/tac_plus.cfg" but these CCIEs guys
have absolutely no clues.  Furthermore, they don't even know how to use
editing in Unix (i.e vi or emacs) and ended up screwing up my tacacs
configuration files.  We have a few employees that need tacacs account
but these CCIEs guys have no clues how to addnew users to a configuration
file which if anyone has done tacacs on the unix platform know that you
just modify the configuration file tac_plus.conf and restart tacacs
process.   These CCIE guys say that they come from a windows environment
so they don't have too much with Unix platforms.  I also notice that a
lot of CCIEs these days lack the Unix skills that are required for the
Service Providers environment.  Most don't even know how to tunnel
X-application through Secure Shell (SSH).  I still remember those days
when Cisco Engineers are very well verse in both unix and routers
skills.  I long for those days again. Comments anyone?

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