Why would you want temps "hired for a few weeks" to add new users while you
are boring people at networkers, that dont sound so smart, on any os. Oh I
know they could just assign "Show Lebug" privledge level 4 right:>) And what
account is needed to bounce a unix box are they running around with that
too. Hi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Young"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 7:20 PM
Subject: RE: what's wrong with CCIE today? [7:13151]
> These guys are CCIE certified. I checked with cisco.
>
> Wait a minute, I didn't say that these guys have to configure a Tacacs
> Server. Tacacs Server is already configured. They just have to restart
> it and add new users. I don't think it is too much to ask for CCIEs to
> learn the basic skills set of Unix. It seems CCIEs know how to use
> Microsoft Windows? Why not Unix? Didn't these guys ever attend
> college? As far as I am concerns that's where most people learn their
> Unix skills
>
> >From: "David Wolsefer" >To: "'Sean Young'" >CC: >Subject: RE: what's
> wrong with CCIE today? [7:13151] >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 16:37:35 -0700 >
> >While I agree that a lot of engineers could use more Unix skills (myself
> >included), the CCIE in routing and switching does not test skills for
> >running Unix TACACs servers. The CCIE in ISP-DIAL, however, is a
> different >matter entirely since the ISP-Dial CCIE tests the ability to
> configure Cisco >Secure under Windows NT and Solaris. Many R&S CCIEs are
> not from a carrier >background, but many are. When I worked at a major
> carrier, I never had to >configure the Tacacs server. There was a
> seperate team for that. I did, >however, frequently configure Tacacs+ on
> routers and switches. I have yet to >have a single customer request to
> tunnel X-application through Secure Shell >(SSH). A CCIE is not an all
> knowing being. All that you can really infer >from a person's CCIE status
> is that he/she knows routing and switching >reasonably well on the 3600s,
> 2600s, 2500, Cat 5000s etc. I do think that >even though a CCIE (R&S)
> might not know how to configure a Tacacs server off >the top of their
> head, they should have the skills to research the >appropriate
> documentation, get help from TAC, and configure things given a
> >reasonable amount of time. I would also like to point out that there are
> >many people out there calling themselves CCIEs these days. Did you
> verify >with Cisco that these people are really CCIEs? Why didn't you ask
> these >people about their Tacacs knowledge before you hired them if this
> was >important to you? Finally, this post is off topic. Why is it even
> posted to >a Cisco certification mailing list without "OFF TOPIC" in the
> subject. > >Regards, > >David Wolsefer, CCIE #5858 > >-----Original
> Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of >Sean Young >Sent: Friday,
> July 20, 2001 4:15 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: what's wrong
> with CCIE today? [7:13151] > > >What's wrong with CCIEs today? I know
> that I am making a general >assumptions; however,this is the second time
> that it has happend to the >company that I work for. We have several
> tacacs servers that use to >authenticate users. These tacacs servers are
> running on a combination of >Linux and Solaris platforms. While I was
> away at the Networker >Conference, one of our tacacs servers (solaris)
> die due to hardware >failure and the amazingly the tacacs process on the
> Linux die. Because >of this, everyone has to login to the routers and
> switches via local >account. We hire these CCIEs to maintain the network
> while I am away for >a few weeks. None of these CCIEs have any background
> with tacacs servers >running on Unix platforms. As to our problems, the
> simple to do is just >to restart the tacacs process byfirst: "killall
> tac_plus" and second >"/usr/sbin/tac_plus -C /etc/tacacs/tac_plus.cfg"
> but these CCIEs guys >have absolutely no clues. Furthermore, they don't
> even know how to use >editing in Unix (i.e vi or emacs) and ended up
> screwing up my tacacs >configuration files. We have a few employees that
> need tacacs account >but these CCIEs guys have no clues how to addnew
> users to a configuration >file which if anyone has done tacacs on the
> unix platform know that you >just modify the configuration file
> tac_plus.conf and restart tacacs >process. These CCIE guys say that they
> come from a windows environment >so they don't have too much with Unix
> platforms. I also notice that a >lot of CCIEs these days lack the Unix
> skills that are required for the >Service Providers environment. Most
> don't even know how to tunnel >X-application through Secure Shell (SSH).
> I still remember those days >when Cisco Engineers are very well verse in
> both unix and routers >skills. I long for those days again. Comments
> anyone? >
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