Okay, what is BASIC?
Knowing how to change network configuration of windows is basic, because
most people use windows on their PCs. If some CCIEs do not know how to
configure Unix boxes and still finish their daily tasks, this means to these
CCIEs Unix skills are not basic.
When you hire them, you should know what they can do, if you want to them to
do something they still do not know yet, let them know your requirement and
give them time or some training to learn it. All CCIEs know how to learn,
this is how they got their numbers.
If I am not the administrator of a box, the last thing I want to do is to
touch the box without letting the admin know it, we all know this typical
story happening to everyone all the time:"
You walk into a computer room, put a card on a router, the time you finish
this, the router on a seperate rack 30 feet away reboots itself, you are the
only one in the computer room, so you, to some extend on your boss mind, are
resposible for this."
KY
""Sean Young"" wrote in message
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> Come on guys. Everyone's point is very well taken. I am NOT saying that
> a CCIE also has to be an expert with Unix. All I am saying is that at
> the very least, have a basic understand of Unix OS so that one can
> accomplish basic tasks required by the job. I bet that all CCIEs knows
> how to change the network configuration in microsoft windows but not all
> CCIEs know how to do the same thing to a Unix system. The point I am
> trying to make here is that know the basic. I do notice the older CCIEs
> (#3500 and lower) are very well diversifed with both their Cisco and Unix
> skills. The newer only know "point and click".
>
>
>
> >From: "John Neiberger" >Reply-To: "John Neiberger" >To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: what's wrong with CCIE today?
> [7:13151] >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:32:53 -0400 > >Last time I checked,
> there was none of the following on the CCIE written >or lab: > >Unix
> >Tacacs Server Configuration >X-application tunneling over SSL > >Would
> you also expect a CCIE to be able to configure CICS on your >mainframe
> and troubleshoot terminal controller problems in VTAM on your >FEP? >
> >No, I don't think so. Remember, the first "C" in CCIE stands for
> >"CISCO". Just because it's incredibly hard to get does not mean it's
> >the ultimate pinnacle of networking achievement and there is nothing
> >left to learn. > >In fact, I relate it to a black belt in martial arts.
> Those with >experience understand that a black belt is yet another
> starting point, >it's not the end of the road. > >Okay, enough rambling.
> Time to go home! > >John > > >>> "Sean Young" 7/20/01 5:14:47 PM >>>
> >What's wrong with CCIEs today? I know that I am making a general
> >assumptions; however,this is the second time that it has happend to >the
> >company that I work for. We have several tacacs servers that use to
> >authenticate users. These tacacs servers are running on a combination
> >of >Linux and Solaris platforms. While I was away at the Networker
> >Conference, one of our tacacs servers (solaris) die due to hardware
> >failure and the amazingly the tacacs process on the Linux die. >Because
> >of this, everyone has to login to the routers and switches via local
> >account. We hire these CCIEs to maintain the network while I am away
> >for >a few weeks. None of these CCIEs have any background with tacacs
> >servers >running on Unix platforms. As to our problems, the simple to do
> is >just >to restart the tacacs process byfirst: "killall tac_plus" and
> second >"/usr/sbin/tac_plus -C /etc/tacacs/tac_plus.cfg" but these CCIEs
> guys >have absolutely no clues. Furthermore, they don't even know how to
> >use >editing in Unix (i.e vi or emacs) and ended up screwing up my
> tacacs >configuration files. We have a few employees that need tacacs
> account >but these CCIEs guys have no clues how to addnew users to a
> >configuration >file which if anyone has done tacacs on the unix platform
> know that >you >just modify the configuration file tac_plus.conf and
> restart tacacs >process. These CCIE guys say that they come from a
> windows >environment >so they don't have too much with Unix platforms. I
> also notice that a >lot of CCIEs these days lack the Unix skills that are
> required for the >Service Providers environment. Most don't even know how
> to tunnel >X-application through Secure Shell (SSH). I still remember
> those days >when Cisco Engineers are very well verse in both unix and
> routers >skills. I long for those days again. Comments anyone? >
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