Hey, Please dont use the CCIE Certificate number to classify the
level of the CCIE .....
that's your opinion, please respect with those late comers...
""Sean Young"" wrote in message
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> Come on guys. Everyone's point is very well taken. I am NOT saying that
> a CCIE also has to be an expert with Unix. All I am saying is that at
> the very least, have a basic understand of Unix OS so that one can
> accomplish basic tasks required by the job. I bet that all CCIEs knows
> how to change the network configuration in microsoft windows but not all
> CCIEs know how to do the same thing to a Unix system. The point I am
> trying to make here is that know the basic. I do notice the older CCIEs
> (#3500 and lower) are very well diversifed with both their Cisco and Unix
> skills. The newer only know "point and click".
>
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>
> >From: "John Neiberger" >Reply-To: "John Neiberger" >To:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: what's wrong with CCIE today?
> [7:13151] >Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 19:32:53 -0400 > >Last time I checked,
> there was none of the following on the CCIE written >or lab: > >Unix
> >Tacacs Server Configuration >X-application tunneling over SSL > >Would
> you also expect a CCIE to be able to configure CICS on your >mainframe
> and troubleshoot terminal controller problems in VTAM on your >FEP? >
> >No, I don't think so. Remember, the first "C" in CCIE stands for
> >"CISCO". Just because it's incredibly hard to get does not mean it's
> >the ultimate pinnacle of networking achievement and there is nothing
> >left to learn. > >In fact, I relate it to a black belt in martial arts.
> Those with >experience understand that a black belt is yet another
> starting point, >it's not the end of the road. > >Okay, enough rambling.
> Time to go home! > >John > > >>> "Sean Young" 7/20/01 5:14:47 PM >>>
> >What's wrong with CCIEs today? I know that I am making a general
> >assumptions; however,this is the second time that it has happend to >the
> >company that I work for. We have several tacacs servers that use to
> >authenticate users. These tacacs servers are running on a combination
> >of >Linux and Solaris platforms. While I was away at the Networker
> >Conference, one of our tacacs servers (solaris) die due to hardware
> >failure and the amazingly the tacacs process on the Linux die. >Because
> >of this, everyone has to login to the routers and switches via local
> >account. We hire these CCIEs to maintain the network while I am away
> >for >a few weeks. None of these CCIEs have any background with tacacs
> >servers >running on Unix platforms. As to our problems, the simple to do
> is >just >to restart the tacacs process byfirst: "killall tac_plus" and
> second >"/usr/sbin/tac_plus -C /etc/tacacs/tac_plus.cfg" but these CCIEs
> guys >have absolutely no clues. Furthermore, they don't even know how to
> >use >editing in Unix (i.e vi or emacs) and ended up screwing up my
> tacacs >configuration files. We have a few employees that need tacacs
> account >but these CCIEs guys have no clues how to addnew users to a
> >configuration >file which if anyone has done tacacs on the unix platform
> know that >you >just modify the configuration file tac_plus.conf and
> restart tacacs >process. These CCIE guys say that they come from a
> windows >environment >so they don't have too much with Unix platforms. I
> also notice that a >lot of CCIEs these days lack the Unix skills that are
> required for the >Service Providers environment. Most don't even know how
> to tunnel >X-application through Secure Shell (SSH). I still remember
> those days >when Cisco Engineers are very well verse in both unix and
> routers >skills. I long for those days again. Comments anyone? >
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