Well, This Cisco guy knows how to configure, trouble shoot, install, and
just about anything on an NT or 2000 box... As well as a Novell Box
v3-1x -4.x. As far as Unix, well, not much expertise there... I can install
various versions of Linux, but my demands of other areas have been far too
great to specialize in everything...
If it were my company, and I needed someone to work on my NT servers, I
would hire an MCSE, or Novell Servers, a CNE... if I need a Cisco guy, thats
what I would hire...
I agree that skills should be spread around, but you need to specialize...
Not be a jack of all trades... master of none... But instead a master of
one, and some knowledge of a few others...
A CCIE is a bit too expensive to be fooling around with unix Box configs...
But knowledge of different systems wont hurt, but I dont see it as beeing
mandatory...
Now for the first CCIES...
I doubt they have had any pressing need over the past few years to learn or
certify in Operating Systems... In fact the first ones, have been held on to
by Cisco, and are probobly the ones who came up with things like EIGRP
etc... Doubt the company they work for has asked them to modify client
systems...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sean Young"
To:
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: what's wrong with CCIE today? [7:13151]
> Well, a ccie doesn't know how to fix the NT server; however, he/she does
> know how change the IP address of the NT server or how to reboot the box
> right? I would expect that CCIE to be able to do the same thing with a
> Unix box. He/she doesn't have to manage the Unix server, just know that
> basic troubleshooting stuffs. To my knowledge, Linux and Solaris x86 are
> free so those basic Unix skills can be learned very quickly.
>
> >From: "B.J. Wilson" >Reply-To: "B.J. Wilson" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: what's wrong with CCIE today? [7:13151] >Date: Fri, 20 Jul
> 2001 19:38:56 -0400 > >You're attributing a fault in "these guys" to a
> certification which doesn't >test on UNIX skills. In other words, they're
> CCIEs - they know more than >you or I do about routing and switching on
> Cisco routers (presumably). But >the CCIE is the *beginning* of an
> overall understanding of how networks >work - it's not the end-all-be-all
> certification which automatically >elevates someone to godlike status, as
> much as you might want them to be >networking gods. > >This is actually
> one thing I'm worried about, should I ever achieve the CCIE
> >certification: I don't want some future employer to say "Oh, you're a
> CCIE, >great - come over here and fix this NT server," only to be
> disappointed to >learn that I know nothing about NT! > >The bottom line
> is: don't criticize a CCIE because they don't know how to >use or manage
> a UNIX server. That's not what they've been trained to do, >it's not what
> they're certified to do, and if you're smart, you won't hire >someone to
> do UNIX stuff without making them prove that they *can* do it. >In other
> words, quit your bellyaching. ;-) > >BJ > > >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Sean Young" >To: >Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 6:14 PM >Subject:
> what's wrong with CCIE today? [7:13151] > > > > What's wrong with CCIEs
> today? I know that I am making a general > > assumptions; however,this is
> the second time that it has happend to the > > company that I work for.
> We have several tacacs servers that use to > > authenticate users. These
> tacacs servers are running on a combination of > > Linux and Solaris
> platforms. While I was away at the Networker > > Conference, one of our
> tacacs servers (solaris) die due to hardware > > failure and the
> amazingly the tacacs process on the Linux die. Because > > of this,
> everyone has to login to the routers and switches via local > > account.
> We hire these CCIEs to maintain the network while I am away for > > a few
> weeks. None of these CCIEs have any background with tacacs servers > >
> running on Unix platforms. As to our problems, the simple to do is just >
> > to restart the tacacs process byfirst: "killall tac_plus" and second >
> > "/usr/sbin/tac_plus -C /etc/tacacs/tac_plus.cfg" but these CCIEs guys >
> > have absolutely no clues. Furthermore, they don't even know how to use
> > > editing in Unix (i.e vi or emacs) and ended up screwing up my tacacs
> > > configuration files. We have a few employees that need tacacs account
> > > but these CCIEs guys have no clues how to addnew users to a
> configuration > > file which if anyone has done tacacs on the unix
> platform know that you > > just modify the configuration file
> tac_plus.conf and restart tacacs > > process. These CCIE guys say that
> they come from a windows environment > > so they don't have too much with
> Unix platforms. I also notice that a > > lot of CCIEs these days lack the
> Unix skills that are required for the > > Service Providers environment.
> Most don't even know how to tunnel > > X-application through Secure Shell
> (SSH). I still remember those days > > when Cisco Engineers are very well
> verse in both unix and routers > > skills. I long for those days again.
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