I appreciate your comments.... and I applaud your accomplishment, especially at such a young age..... but once ones age is past 25 and 30 and beyond, everyone that's 19, 20, 21 is still considered a "kid" =)
Mike W. "Jason Forrester" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > Becareful with the "kid" comment. I passed my CCIE at 20, dang near 19. > > Jason > CCIE 8748 > > "Michael L. Williams" wrote: > > > "nrf" wrote in message > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > > Bullshi*. There are a significant number of guys lately who've passed > the > > > lab who I wouldn't hesitate to call "paper" (heck, even they have > honestly > > > referred to themselves as paper, usually after getting a few drinks into > > > them). > > > > Significant? Help me understand the extent to which you use that word? If > > you're a proctor for CCIE labs and saw people day in and day out, then I > > would take your word for it..... I have yet to take the lab, but I'm > trying > > to understand how someone could make it through the lab and still be > > considered "paper"..... Is the lab that big of a joke? Consider it's very > > high fail rate, I can't see it being sooooo easy that people can't pass > > without understanding what they're doing? At least to the same level that > > anyone else who ever passed the lab did.... Personally I use paper to mean > > someone with a cert that doesn't have any hands-on to match it.... like > > paper MSCE.. I worked with this kid who was 19, has his MSCE, CNE, and > > Master CNE, but had zero hands on.... definitely paper... but we're > talking > > the CCIE lab here..... it's simply not possible (IMHO) to pass the lab > > without at least a minimum of hands-on (whether in a job or on practice > > equipment) to give one the skills to pass. > > > > > But I do agree with the premise that the main reason for the devaluing of > > > the cert is the bad economy, and the lab-rats are a lesser consideration > > > (still important, but lesser). But on the other hand, I think it is the > > > case that the CCIE will probably never attain the status that it once > did, > > > simply because the we will probably never see another huge network > > buildout > > > orgy like the dotcom boom again in our lifetime. So while I believe the > > > networking industry will get better, people who thinks it's going to get > > > back to, say, 1999, are just deluding themselves. > > > > Agreed.... I don't thik we'll see things back like there were a couple of > > years ago. But I'm trying to draw a fine distinction between the devaluing > > of a cert (due to shoddy cert process) -vs- the salary that one pulls in > > with the cert. The CCIEs now (in general) don't make and probably in the > > future won't make what CCIEs of two years ago did. Is this a devaluation > of > > the cert. Certainly not. That's the market.... that's the economy.... I > > don't believe that has much to do with whether employers and network > > professionals "value" the certification (i.e. consider someone with CCIE to > > be a true expert in networking). Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=43437&t=43306 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
