This isn't quite true.  For example, a DCE router interface will be 
down/down if DTR is not raised by the DTE device.  I see this quite 
often at work and faulty cabling is generally not the culprit.  It's 
almost always bad hardware in the DTE.

John

Michael L. Williams wrote:
> According to CCIE exam materials, the *only* time the serial will show
> down/down is when there is NO serial cable or a bad serial cable connected.
> So even if you have a misconfigured framing method, you should at least see
> up/down.....
> 
> Mike W.
> 
> "Bob Timmons"  wrote in message
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> 
>>I can't say I've ever seen a down/up condition.  Up/Down perhaps.
>>
>>I'm sure there are exceptions, but it's my belief that the router doesn't
>>care about encoding, but rather a layer-1 connection to the dce/dte
> 
> device.
> 
>>If the router can 'talk' to the device on the other end of the cable, you
>>should get an up/x condition, where x would depend on the csu/dsu
> 
> condition
> 
>>of the line.
>>
>>I don't have a csu handy, otherwise I'd check that right now.  I can do
> 
> that
> 
>>tomorrow morning (10:30 pm est here), but you may have an answer prior to
>>that...
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hi Priscilla,
>>>
>>>I have actually had this scenario (multiple times), but due to the
>>
> Telco's
> 
>>>misconfiguration.
>>>Specifically we were expecting b8zs/esf. Unfortunately I can't confirm
>>>which was configured incorrectly, but I can confirm that going through
>>>all of the different combinations available at the router you will
>>>get all combinations on the serial interface (up/up, down/up and
>>
>>down/down).
>>
>>>I can also confirm, you will not establish connectivity, regardless. I
>>>believe
>>>either b8zs/esf or sf/ami are the only valid combinations. At least that
>>
>>is
>>
>>>all I've
>>>ever worked with.
>>>
>>>Hope this helps,
>>>-TV
>>>
>>>
>>>""Priscilla Oppenheimer""  wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>Hi Group Study,
>>>>
>>>>While writing some questions for a practice test, I found myself
>>>>questioning what I thought was the right answer. Here's the scenario:
>>>>
>>>>A Cisco router serial interface is correctly connected with a good
>>>
> V.35
> 
>>>>cable to the data port on the DSU side of a CSU/DSU. The CSU/DSU has
>>>
>>been
>>
>>>>misconfigured for the framing method (SF instead of ESF). The framing
>>>>doesn't match what the provider is using. (The question refers to a
>>>
>>>CSU/DSU
>>>
>>>>that is external to the router, not one that is built into the
>>>
> router.)
> 
>>>>Will the Cisco router serial interface be down/down or up/down?
>>>>
>>>>And, would the answer be any different if the question has to do with
>>>>misconfiguring the encoding (AMI versus B8ZS)?
>>>>
>>>>If you have real-world experience with this, that would help. I have
>>>
>>read
>>
>>>>the Cisco documentation and the troubleshooting charts, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>
>>>>Priscilla
>>>>
>>>>________________________
>>>>
>>>>Priscilla Oppenheimer
>>>>http://www.priscilla.com




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