""Jim Newton"" wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > I have taken all of the classes listed below while in the engineering school > at University of Wisconsin. > > I know that there was not one of them that demanded the attention to detail > and total commitment that was required to get my CCIE. I carried a 4.0 > through almost all of those classes while barely cracking a book. I wish I > could have said the same about my CCIE. Then I wouldn't have had to ignore > my wife and son for the last year and a half. > > I am not knocking a degree, because I feel it is as important if not more so > than my certification. But to say that the degree is tougher is not > necessarily true. It is comparing apples to oranges. The degree is almost > all book knowledge where if you can regurgitate the correct answer without > totally understanding it you pass. Try to pass the lab without a complete > understanding of the topics covered.
Uh, this does not follow. How many CCIE's really really understand, say, BGP or OSPF? No, not just how to configure it, but how it really actually works. Give you an example - I would be hard pressed to find a lot of CCIE's who can explain to me how Dijkstra really works. Some can, but I would say that most, especially the newer CCIE's, cannot. How many can actually explain how a BGP RIB actually works? Heck, I would venture to say that many of them have never even tried to read the relevant RFC's - and if you've never read the RFC's, it's difficult to claim that you actually understand how the technology really works. Learning how to configure something is far far different from actually understanding it. A mechanic might be able to fix an engine, but a mechanical engineer can actually design a new one. >But at the same time, the CCIE focuses > on a narrow range of topics where any good degree forces you to learn a wide > breadth of information. > > Anyone who knocks either without having achieved them both is not doing > justice to the people who worked hard to achieve what they have done. I know > of engineers who said their CCIE was harder than their degree and vice > versa. So give everyone credit for what they have achieved and don't knock > them for what they haven't. Nobody's knocking anybody for anything. I'm just merely presenting the facts. Out of all the companies in the world, the one with the most respect for the CCIE program is, surprise surprise, Cisco. Yet if you look at Cisco's top management, you'll find a lot of degrees, but no CCIE's whatsoever. Draw your own conclusion about what that means. > > I hate to admit it but the smartest person I ever knew in my life only had a > sixth grade education and taught himself everything on his own after that. > He taught himself Calculus, Physics and a lot of advanced engineering > skills. He never had a diploma, degree or any certifications. But if I can > ever achieve one tenth of the knowledge that he had I would be happy. Titles > and letters after your name mean nothing, the only thing that matters is > what you can do, and that you never give up. It is absolutely true that, at the end of the day, knowledge and determination are what ultimately counts. But the origination of this thread was to choose one or the other (the cert or the degree). > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > l0stbyte > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 3:16 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS dergree [7:59481] > > Ladrach, Daniel E. wrote: > > > I have an MIS degree from The Ohio State University Max Fisher College of > > Business. I see some posts out there saying that a CS degree is no > > more than > > a vocational degree. Obviously this person has not been to college! > > College > > is not there to prepare you to step in and do a Sr. Engineer job, it is > > there to give you a base understanding of IT. I however, have a business > > degree with an IT focus. So, when you have been through the classes I have > > you form a level of respect for anyone who has been down the same road. > > > > When the CCIE gets as challenging as the following let me know. > > > > Calculus > > Physics > > Finance > > Accounting > > Economics > > CS-programming > > CS-operating systems > > CS-networking > > > > > > > > Daniel Ladrach > > CCNA, CCNP > > WorldCom > All of the listed should be thought in high school. Unless it's some > kind of quantum programming (is it still a concept?), CCIE should be by > far more challenging. My two cents.. > :) Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60172&t=59481 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
