Thomas,
I am sorry to disappoint you about the "THERE IS NO PAPER CCIE" but my 
younger brother achieved his CCIE status in just over 3 months.  He passed
the
CCIE lab exam in his first try (last July in San Jose).  Prior to that, he
only had
3 months of networking experiences by playing with our home network.  By the
way,
he has an amazing memory (biology major) so that he just worked on all the
lab
scenarios and remembered all of them.  As I've mentioned before, it took him
6
months to achieve his CCIE status.
Anyway, he was fired from his first job for being incompetent, don't know
what port
443 is used for.  He is now accepting a low paying job just to get up the
speed in
the networking even though he is a fast learner.  The company he is working
for
demands that he knows everything from Firewalls, routers and programming. 
He
knows that there are unemployed CCIEs out there.
The point I am trying to make here is that there are ways to beat the system
in
achieving the CCIE status and there are "paper CCIEs" out there and my
brother is
a prime example of that.
Just my .02c
Eric
 
 Thomas  wrote:I have heard these stories for years now. They always start
with ... I knew
a guy who knew a guy that was a CCIE and he didn't know this or he didn't
know that. We all know what knowledge, skills, dedication, focus,
perserverance it takes to pass the CCIE.

When I see someone that tries to make themselves feel smarter or downplay
the importance/accomplishment of being a CCIE, because of 1 CCIE who did
not at that particular moment know something rather trivial, I just laugh.
There are no paper CCIEs and there will be none. As long as the integrity of
the test remains the way it is.


""2bie"" wrote in message
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> It's not a fault of CCIE program .It's his mistake ;-)
> But, Did he receive his number ? Yes ? OK, surely he have a deep knowledge
> about OSPF, BPG, Redistribute, TCP/IP (except port 80), VoIP, Switching
> ..... I think it's enough, and I respect him.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ladrach, Daniel E."
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:57 AM
> Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS degree [7:59481]
>
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> > I just want to make one more comment. I worked with a CCIE candidate not
> to
> > long ago that did not know what port 80 was. Also, he took the lab and
did
> > fairly well.
> >
> > Daniel Ladrach
> > CCNA, CCNP
> > WorldCom
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