Very well said!! As I ALWAYS tell my students:
You can go to any school (including Harvard) and you can be assured that you WILL pass the exams with a A, B, C or a D grade if you study the material. The CCIE Lab - NO way man!! You can study and study and study ALL the materials and you will either pass or FAIL!!!!!!!!!!! It's a one shot!! NO way around this. NO grades here. So which one is more difficult?? Take a guess!! >From: "Thomas Larus" >Reply-To: "Thomas Larus" >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS degree [7:59481] >Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:28:29 GMT > >While Mr. Ladrach is almost certainly correct in his statement that the CCIE >is less challenging that physics and calculus, he might be able to speak >more authoritatively once he has passed the Lab Exam. > >As for being easier than accounting and economics classes, if you are >reasonably intelligent and do all the homework, you will almost certainly >pass most accounting and economics classes. You can be reasonably >intelligent, do all the right things in preparation for the CCIE lab, and >fail and fail and fail again. > >While I would certainly say that the CCIE material is less difficult to >learn than some other subjects I have studied, I can honestly say that I >have never studied so hard for one test in my life, or gotten myself into a >state where I had such an "edge"-- a certain sharpness and facility with a >given subject matter that I fear I may never experience again (unless I go >for a second CCIE). It is not rocket science, but you have to execute VERY >well. > >As for nrf, - his contributions to groupstudy have been almost entirely >negative. While it is helpful to have some discussion of things like the job >market and the question of whether it is better to invest time and effort in >a degree versus certification is useful, constantly chiming in with negative >thoughts and assessments is not very helpful. This is something of a >support group, and in these difficult times, those of us who have already >set out to achieve certification goals need encouragement and technical >advice. > >I do not know if nrf is one of these people (he could just be negative for >no particular reason), there are some people who come to these discussion >groups to discourage others from pursuing dreams the achievement of which >might bring about a greater number of certified IT professionals and perhaps >exert downward pressure on salaries. > >For the record, I studied and practiced hard, and passed the CCIE lab with >precious little "industry experience." I found a great job in a great >company within two months of passing the CCIE Lab, and I had a few other >interested folks contact me for interviews. > >I certainly cannot make any promises about the future, but my point is that >if you can get all the way to passing the CCIE lab, you will probably not >regret it. This journey is worthwhile, and don't let a bunch of naysayers >get you down. > >That said, if you are very young and considering certification as an >alternative to a college degree, understand that the college degree (even a >BA) and what you should learn in the process of gaining it, can be very >helpful. > >Tom Larus, CCIE #10,014 > >""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... > > At 9:16 PM +0000 1/2/03, l0stbyte wrote: > > >Ladrach, Daniel E. wrote: > > > > > >> I have an MIS degree from The Ohio State University Max Fisher College >of > > >> Business. I see some posts out there saying that a CS degree is no > > >> more than > > >> a vocational degree. Obviously this person has not been to college! > > >> College > > >> is not there to prepare you to step in and do a Sr. Engineer job, it >is > > >> there to give you a base understanding of IT. I however, have a >business > > >> degree with an IT focus. So, when you have been through the classes I > > have > > >> you form a level of respect for anyone who has been down the same >road. > > >> > > >> When the CCIE gets as challenging as the following let me know. > > >> > > >> Calculus > > >> Physics > > >> Finance > > >> Accounting > > >> Economics > > >> CS-programming > > >> CS-operating systems > > >> CS-networking > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Daniel Ladrach > > >> CCNA, CCNP > > >> WorldCom > > >All of the listed should be thought in high school. Unless it's some > > >kind of quantum programming (is it still a concept?), CCIE should be by > > >far more challenging. My two cents.. > > >:) > > > > I hope the smiley means you aren't serious. Let me pose some CS > > questions, which I swear are off the top of my head. In all > > fairness, I'm not sure if some of these will be advanced > > undergraduate or graduate level, but we have been talking about CCIE > > vs. PhD... I have tried to select questions that bear on real > > networks. > > > > CS-programming. > > Compare and contrast NP-hard, NP-complete, and NP-incomplete >algorithms > > Review the optimal search and update algorithms for trees and tries. > > Identify four major searching and sorting algorithms and describe >their > > advantages and disadvantages > > Extract a square root using Newton-Raphson iteration, or select a > > different > > method and explain why it is superior. > > Describe a strategy for change control in a programming team. The > > software > > library will include documentation, source, linkable elements, and > > executables. > > What record locking mechanisms are needed to ensure integrity of a > > hierarchical linked list? > > What are the types of commitment protocols and the basic ACID >properties > > of transactions? > > How can a buffer overflow be exploited to gain control? > > Build a Monte Carlo simulator for network traffic following Markov, > > exponential, fractal, and Erlang B and C pdf's for both interarrival > > and service time. > > Characterize the major conceptual differences among the FORTH, FORTRAN > > IV, > > LISP, PROLOG, Pascal, C, Ada, C++ and SQL languages > > Give examples of data structures using isomorphism, homomorphism, and > > monomorphism. > > What is a context-free grammar? > > Differentiate between abstract syntax, operational semantics, and > > transfer > > syntax. > > > > > > > > CS-operating systems > > Describe the difference between a kernel and a microkernel and their > > relationships to operating systems. > > Discuss strategies for managing buffer allocation, fragmentation, and > > garbage collection. > > Compare and contrast polling versus interrupts in a real-time OS. > > Describe at least four major types of multiprocessing. You may include > > multistream single processors. > > How can you do a hitless software upgrade on a real-time OS? > > Differentiate between processes, tasks, and threads in POSIX. > > Describe the requirements for transparent failover among multiple > > processors, including the context switching issues. > > What are the differences between reentrancy and serial reusability? > > Compare backup strategies and management, including serial media, > > various types of RAID, and write-once optical storage. > > What is a deadly embrace? > > What is the difference between mandatory and discretionary access > > control? > > Is compartmentation orthogonal to sensitivity? > > What is the Bell-Lapadula theorem and where is it used? > > What is a covert channel and how do you protect against it? > > What is the difference between spawning and forking? > > How are named vs. unnamed pipes used, and what is their relationship > > to semaphores and sockets? > > > > > > CS-networking > > Compare and contrast error management using ARQ, parallel >transmission, > > and FEC > > What issues do CALEA and E911 have on multiservice router design? > > Discuss the evolution in Internet topology that has led to greater > > BGP instability? Focus on topological changes. > > Differentiate between codecs and transcoders, and identify the > > impairments they introduce. > > What limitation does the Dijkstra algorithm impose on subsecond > > convergence > > time? What are potential fixes to the problem? > > Define unicity distance and its applicability to two coding schemes. > > What is QAM? Trellis encoding? > > What is the role of a phase-locked loop in received signal timing? > > To what sorts of signals is it relevant? > > Why are there pulse density restrictions in DS-x and E-x signals? > > In what routing protocol did Floyd identify the problem of weak > > synchronization, and how is it corrected? > > What is the effect of the Byzantine Generals (also called Byzantine > > Corruption) problem on high availability, and what are workarounds? > > What is van Eck radiation and how does it affect security? > > Why are external routes given lesser preference in link state >protocols, > > and what is their effect on the Dijkstra algorithm? > > What is a LFN (elephant) and what do you do about it? > > Why does OSPF use the lollipop algorithm for sequence numbers? > > What is Huffman compression and how does it improve JPEG transmission? > > Why is regenerative feedback a bad method of controlling systems? > > Describe the functions of the OSI session layer in recovery. > > What is the limitation of source-destination hash load balancing in > > traffic engineering? > > What probability function best describes Internet traffic? > > Why does TFTP use a fixed record size? > > What are the differences between XDR and ASN.1? > > What mathematical principle underlies frame control sequences? > > Describe the silly window syndrome. > > Why has the destination preference attribute of BGP not been deployed? > > Differentiate among system, layer, and station misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online Message Posted at: http://www.groupstudy.com/form/read.php?f=7&i=60512&t=59481 -------------------------------------------------- FAQ, list archives, and subscription info: http://www.groupstudy.com/list/cisco.html Report misconduct and Nondisclosure violations to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
