Symon
I totally agree with you.Let them continue
Piyush
--- Symon Thurlow wrote: >
Yawn..... Isn't this thread finished yet?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard C. Berkowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 January 2003 04:33
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: CCIE Vs. BS or MS degree [7:59481]
>
>
> At 1:21 AM +0000 1/5/03, nrf wrote:
> >""Howard C. Berkowitz"" wrote in message
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> At 11:12 PM +0000 1/4/03, nrf wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >So if it's doing public good that concerns you,
> then the more
> >> successful
> >you
> >> >are, the more you have to give. Let's face it
> - it's not going to
> >> be
> >easy
> >> >to create a charitable foundation that helps
> millions of people the
>
> >> way
> >the
> >> >Rockefeller Foundation did if you're working
> for minimum wage.
> >>
> >> Did I miss something about Mother Teresa's pay
> scale?
> >>
> >> I never said she wasn't tough. Anyone who pays a
> visit to the
> >> hospital bed of the then-Mayor of New York (Ed
> Koch) recovering from
>
> >> a heart attack, blesses him, and then hits on him
> for more reserved
> >> parking places for her missions is TOUGH.
> >
> >Touche, but the point I was trying to make was
> this.
> >
> >I don't want this to come off as a low-blow, and
> I'm certainly not
> >accusing anybody here of being two-faced. But I've
> heard the argument
> >before from people who say that they don't want to
> enter the business
> >world, or climb the corporate ladder because they
> think that Corporate
> >America is corrupt and they are more concerned with
> being ethical and
> >doing good for the community. Yet many of these
> same people (not all,
> but many) do little if
> >anything for the community that they claim to care
> for. Which begs
> the
> >question that if you choose not to follow the rules
> of Big Business
> >because you think it's evil and you are concerned
> with doing and being
> good, then
> >why aren't you doing good works? Hmmm.
>
> I can speak only for myself here. I've not been
> interested in going
> into corporate top management because I don't enjoy
> the things even
> very good, very ethical top managers need to do.
> Yes, I'll wander
> around exchanging ideas with colleagues and keep
> track of what my
> developers are doing, but I have no interest in
> coming up with the
> latest optimization for shareholder value, for
> mergers and
> acquisitions, for untangling turf battles, etc.
>
> But I am in the business world. I know I need to do
> budgets and
> funding justifications for my own projects, and
> monitor schedules for
> my own people. I'd rather not spend all my time
> doing that. I enjoy
> individual technical mentoring.
>
> I won't say I'm quite like Steve Wozniak, who made
> his pile from pure
> engineering, and now mostly does elementary school
> teaching because
> he enjoys kids. Personally, I'm a pedophobe. At the
> same time, I
> can't ever see retiring because I have too much fun
> doing what I do.
> My community service, if you will, tends to be at a
> policy level --
> I'm involved in privacy policy, information
> technology in county
> government, sexual rights, interdisciplinary stuff
> between medicine
> and computing.
>
> I've been a road warrior enough that I'd far rather
> try to grow a new
> herb in my garden than take a grand tour to Paris.
> Bad example. I've
> never had a good experience in Paris. London, Tokyo,
> or Amsterdam,
> maybe, but my first priority would be who takes care
> of the cats (Cat
> 1's, not 6500's. Single tail circuit, four sets of
> connectors, null
> male or female interfaces).
>
> >
> >Now, let me reiterate. The above paragraph might
> be construed as an
> >attempt by me to take a shot at certain people
> here. Not at all. I'm
> >just stating a phenomenom that I have seen from
> some people not on this
>
> >NG.
> >
> >By the way, while Mother Teresa may not have
> personally had a lot of
> money,
> >her practice obviously got money from somewhere.
> You can't feed and
> care
> >for thousands without some kind of financial
> backing.
>
> Of course not. But she didn't have to demonstrate
> MBA-type skills to
> a corporate hierarchy to get there.
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