We would kick his a-- going to weather in medium to heavy air and some sea, and he would take it all back on the downwind spin run. One way the 34R could beat the Hobie 33 was to have an upwind finish which happened once in St Margaret's Bay, I recall.

Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax N.S.

On 2012/11/12 10:07 PM, dwight veinot wrote:

The Frers 33 displacement is less than your 35 MKIII, the sail area to displacement ratio is quite a bit larger and LWL is only 1.5 feet less than your 35...we had similar experience racing against a Hobie 33 (PHRF 94) on a C&C 34R (PHRF 84)

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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*From:*CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Goodyear
*Sent:* November 12, 2012 9:38 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating

I agree - I'd swap my Flex-o-fold for a two-blade fixed and a 129 rating in less than 12 seconds! I also race on and against a Frers 33 here (108 rating vs 117 for a 35-3) - they smoke us in light air, we hold our own in 10-15+.

Tim

Mojito

C&C 35-3

Branford, CT

On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com <mailto:mike.h...@impgroup.com>> wrote:

Wow ... So many topics and so many responses

1. When a vessel changes its keel, rudder or rig it is always treated as an attempt to make the boat sail better (faster). Only if it is looked at hard and long and decided is no faster and rarely slower is that changed

2. 12 sec/mile on 2 blade fixed prop? Every racer here would add a small 2 blade fixed prop for that. This is free money. Normally is 6 sec ...

3. Spin and non spin in same fleet. Classic no no that is only allowed when not many boats involved to allow fleet separation

4. Some areas talking having one rating for a model. The base handicap. No adjustments for bizarre setups. Is weird to have 35 foot boat sailing same rating as something like a c&c 27 ...

J30 isva great boat. Big interior, sails well. At dyc in nova scotia we had a j30 racing against frers 33. Frers great light wind boat ...

Mike






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