Yes the Frers is a great light air boatOne evening race he finished 20 minutes corrected time ahead of the next races (we did not compete that night)....perfect example of the rich get richerT
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:19:38 -0400 From: mike.h...@impgroup.com To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: RE: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Wow ... So many topics and so many responses 1. When a vessel changes its keel, rudder or rig it is always treated as an attempt to make the boat sail better (faster). Only if it is looked at hard and long and decided is no faster and rarely slower is that changed 2. 12 sec/mile on 2 blade fixed prop? Every racer here would add a small 2 blade fixed prop for that. This is free money. Normally is 6 sec ... 3. Spin and non spin in same fleet. Classic no no that is only allowed when not many boats involved to allow fleet separation 4. Some areas talking having one rating for a model. The base handicap. No adjustments for bizarre setups. Is weird to have 35 foot boat sailing same rating as something like a c&c 27 ... J30 isva great boat. Big interior, sails well. At dyc in nova scotia we had a j30 racing against frers 33. Frers great light wind boat ... Mike -----Original Message----- From: CnC-List on behalf of dwight veinot Sent: Mon 12/11/2012 18:11 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Hey Ron.it's all about having fun and if you guys are having fun racing that way that's great.but what you guys are trying to do with the numbers is very complicated and much more complicated than a simple headsail adjustment IMHO. Around here my boat rates 126 with and 144 without spinnaker, that is 18 seconds per mile in the difference for a mast head rig kite, I believe it is more like 12 seconds per mile for a fractional rig.the base rating assumes a jib greater that 110% with no difference between 135 and 150, but there is at least one contributor on this list who knows more about that than I do so maybe he will chime in. When we use such ratings and had boats with and without spinnaker in the same race I can almost guarantee that a spinnaker carrying boat would always win, especially on evening races where the wind inevitably dies out for the last legs. On the positive side the boats that do not carry spinnaker will always have a reasonable "excuse to lose" Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS ________________________________ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Casciato Sent: November 12, 2012 4:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Dwight: Ii agree "in principle"; but that thinking applied back when we were all 25 years younger.....and could handle BIG spinnakers, etc. In our fleets today..there are no boats that sail in the "D" fleet......the "C" fleet starts with the J 30's and goes up to whatever...we do have a JAM fleet that includes a Tartan 40 and a Sabre 42....not much fun for anyone else in that fleet... If we separated them along spinnaker and no spinnaker lines....we'd need several classes with only 2-3 boats each in them..... The way we handle it on Wednesday nites is to allow either spinnakers or not.....those races are somewhere between 3 miles to 6 miles in length...so the long legs for either upwind or downwind don't exist......ON the weekends, for most except the "big drawing" races.....we don't get enough boats to fill most fleets so we do the same fleet splits and allow both spinnakers or not. None of us want to race in a 2 boat fleet.... Allowing an additional 10 % to the non-spinnaker boats seems to even up the challenge most evenings.......The "hot" boat in my fleet is still an old Pearson Flyer who actually did some rig changes to get down into the B fleet......he now rates 129 racing. Best, Ron Casciato Impromptu C&C 38MKIIC..'77 Mass Bay _______________________________________________ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album http://www.cncphotoalbum.com CnC-List@cnc-list.com
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