I agree - I'd swap my Flex-o-fold for a two-blade fixed and a 129 rating in less than 12 seconds! I also race on and against a Frers 33 here (108 rating vs 117 for a 35-3) - they smoke us in light air, we hold our own in 10-15+.
Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Hoyt, Mike <mike.h...@impgroup.com> wrote: > Wow ... So many topics and so many responses > > 1. When a vessel changes its keel, rudder or rig it is always treated as > an attempt to make the boat sail better (faster). Only if it is looked at > hard and long and decided is no faster and rarely slower is that changed > > 2. 12 sec/mile on 2 blade fixed prop? Every racer here would add a small 2 > blade fixed prop for that. This is free money. Normally is 6 sec ... > > 3. Spin and non spin in same fleet. Classic no no that is only allowed > when not many boats involved to allow fleet separation > > 4. Some areas talking having one rating for a model. The base handicap. > No adjustments for bizarre setups. Is weird to have 35 foot boat sailing > same rating as something like a c&c 27 ... > > J30 isva great boat. Big interior, sails well. At dyc in nova scotia we > had a j30 racing against frers 33. Frers great light wind boat ... > > Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > From: CnC-List on behalf of dwight veinot > Sent: Mon 12/11/2012 18:11 > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating > > Hey Ron.it's all about having fun and if you guys are having fun racing > that way that's great.but what you guys are trying to do with the numbers > is very complicated and much more complicated than a simple headsail > adjustment IMHO. Around here my boat rates 126 with and 144 without > spinnaker, that is 18 seconds per mile in the difference for a mast head > rig kite, I believe it is more like 12 seconds per mile for a fractional > rig.the base rating assumes a jib greater that 110% with no difference > between 135 and 150, but there is at least one contributor on this list who > knows more about that than I do so maybe he will chime in. When we use > such ratings and had boats with and without spinnaker in the same race I > can almost guarantee that a spinnaker carrying boat would always win, > especially on evening races where the wind inevitably dies out for the last > legs. On the positive side the boats that do not carry spinnaker will > always have a reasonable "excuse to lose" > > > > > > Dwight Veinot > > C&C 35 MKII, Alianna > > Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS > > ________________________________ > > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron > Casciato > Sent: November 12, 2012 4:52 PM > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating > > > > Dwight: > > > > Ii agree "in principle"; but that thinking applied back when we were all > 25 years younger.....and could handle BIG spinnakers, etc. In our fleets > today..there are no boats that sail in the "D" fleet......the "C" fleet > starts with the J 30's and goes up to whatever...we do have a JAM fleet > that includes a Tartan 40 and a Sabre 42....not much fun for anyone else in > that fleet... > > > > If we separated them along spinnaker and no spinnaker lines....we'd need > several classes with only 2-3 boats each in them..... > > > > The way we handle it on Wednesday nites is to allow either spinnakers or > not.....those races are somewhere between 3 miles to 6 miles in length...so > the long legs for either upwind or downwind don't exist......ON the > weekends, for most except the "big drawing" races.....we don't get enough > boats to fill most fleets so we do the same fleet splits and allow both > spinnakers or not. > > > > None of us want to race in a 2 boat fleet.... > > > > Allowing an additional 10 % to the non-spinnaker boats seems to even up > the challenge most evenings.......The "hot" boat in my fleet is still an > old Pearson Flyer who actually did some rig changes to get down into the B > fleet......he now rates 129 racing. > > > > Best, > > > > Ron Casciato > > Impromptu > > C&C 38MKIIC..'77 > > Mass Bay > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > >
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