Hey Ron.it's all about having fun and if you guys are having fun racing that way that's great.but what you guys are trying to do with the numbers is very complicated and much more complicated than a simple headsail adjustment IMHO. Around here my boat rates 126 with and 144 without spinnaker, that is 18 seconds per mile in the difference for a mast head rig kite, I believe it is more like 12 seconds per mile for a fractional rig.the base rating assumes a jib greater that 110% with no difference between 135 and 150, but there is at least one contributor on this list who knows more about that than I do so maybe he will chime in. When we use such ratings and had boats with and without spinnaker in the same race I can almost guarantee that a spinnaker carrying boat would always win, especially on evening races where the wind inevitably dies out for the last legs. On the positive side the boats that do not carry spinnaker will always have a reasonable "excuse to lose"
Dwight Veinot C&C 35 MKII, Alianna Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS _____ From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ron Casciato Sent: November 12, 2012 4:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel mods vs Phrf Rating Dwight: Ii agree "in principle"; but that thinking applied back when we were all 25 years younger.....and could handle BIG spinnakers, etc. In our fleets today..there are no boats that sail in the "D" fleet......the "C" fleet starts with the J 30's and goes up to whatever...we do have a JAM fleet that includes a Tartan 40 and a Sabre 42....not much fun for anyone else in that fleet... If we separated them along spinnaker and no spinnaker lines....we'd need several classes with only 2-3 boats each in them..... The way we handle it on Wednesday nites is to allow either spinnakers or not.....those races are somewhere between 3 miles to 6 miles in length...so the long legs for either upwind or downwind don't exist......ON the weekends, for most except the "big drawing" races.....we don't get enough boats to fill most fleets so we do the same fleet splits and allow both spinnakers or not. None of us want to race in a 2 boat fleet.... Allowing an additional 10 % to the non-spinnaker boats seems to even up the challenge most evenings.......The "hot" boat in my fleet is still an old Pearson Flyer who actually did some rig changes to get down into the B fleet......he now rates 129 racing. Best, Ron Casciato Impromptu C&C 38MKIIC..'77 Mass Bay
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