That is kind of variable. My aluminum spinnaker pole is heavy and awkward for 
me to deal with. I would LOVE the weight reduction of a carbon fiber pole. It 
would make a hard job easy.
No budget for it through and I can handle the pole, so I do. If I was 5 feet 
tall and 100 pounds, a carbon pole would be more of a requirement than a luxury.

Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I


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Joe; what I would like to get is some analysis on whether the lighter pole is 
worth the additional cost? Thanks
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On Apr 3, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
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Pro – it is lighter
Con – it costs more

Joe
Coquina

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Andy; I liked your article; would you advise pro or con on the cost of using a 
carbon fiber whisker pole? Thanks

Richard
s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
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Here's a short piece I wrote on how to rig and set a pole. It really isn't too 
big a chore, if you do it right.
https://www.cruisingworld.com/how/sailing-downwind-set-whisker-pole

Andy

Andrew Burton
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On Apr 2, 2019, at 09:33, David Knecht via CnC-List 
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I have to disagree with the recommendation to just use the spinnaker pole.  I 
bought a whisker pole because it weighs much less than the spinnaker pole and I 
can store it vertically attached at the mast end.  I don’t think I could 
maneuver the spinnaker pole in place by myself on the unstable deck of a boat 
downwind.  I don’t trust my balance plus it is really heavy and unwieldy even 
on firm ground.  The whisker pole also allows me to set different lengths 
depending on conditions.

Related to that: I read the Forespar recommendations on whisker pole use the 
other day.  They strongly recommended using a topping lift.  I have not done 
that although I have one.  It seems like it might affect sail shape as the 
weight of the pole pulling down on the clew might alter the shape of the leech 
of the sail.  I will play when I can sail again, but wonder if anyone has 
thoughts.  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

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On Mar 29, 2019, at 7:04 PM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
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Pretty serious racers there worrying about using a whisker pole longer than J 
and the associated time penalty and that is really only a consideration on a 
run. There are so many other reasons to take extra seconds or minutes to 
complete the course. Just stick with your spin pole use your topping lift and 
pole the genoa out a little to windward so wing on wing with genoa to weather 
Always found that fastest on a run and less chance of accidental jibe of the 
mainsail. Try it if you got a spinn pole onboard

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If I were racing in that neck of the woods I would like some clarification of 
this.   Unrestricted pole length is a major advantage...especially in light 
airs.
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Not much in the PHRF-LO Handicapper's manual on the topic. It is covered in
meeting notes from 2008 and 2009.

WPL penalty – There will no longer be a penalty for oversized Whisker Pole 
lengths.

2009 Spring Meeting.

https://www.phrf-lo.org/index.php/about-us/meetings/central-council/205-2009-spring-meeting

It would be nice if there was some definitive statement in the current 
documentation but I
do not see any.


Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1




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Michael

Check the PHRF-LO bylaws carefully.  In PHRF-NS the whicker pole is considered 
to be a spinnaker pole which is limited to J.  You may wish to look in a 
definitions section if one is available.  I have been involved with 
handicapping for many years in our region and this is my understanding of how 
most areas do it.  However I do know there are some areas that have separate 
limit for whisker pole than for spinnaker pole that is permitted to be longer 
than J ? I just cannot recall at this time which areas those are

Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
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