Hi Dennis, Thanks for the clarification. We do have the aft genoa track similar to yours, but not the forward track. But since our boat has two foresails in a solent rig, the inner stay with the 95% jib is sheeted to the genoa track, and the genoa on the outer stay is sheeted to the toerail with a fixed block just forward of the winch. When sheeting the genoa in hard, the sheet contacts the outside of the lifeline, which is one issue. I can resolve this by running the genoa sheet on the track instead, but haven't tried it yet. The lead angles to the winches from the genoa track are not great, although I suppose I could still also run it through the rear block on the rail. I guess the main issues with moving the genoa sheet position are that the genoa track is already used by the jib sheets, and I need to decide if the point of sail will require the sheets inboard or outboard of the lifelines. There are numbers along the toerail, so at some point, the PO used snatch blocks I suppose, but the current blocks use regular shackles so are not easy to move. Maybe I'll post a photo so it's more clear... Thanks -- Shawn Wright shawngwri...@gmail.com S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:36 AM Dennis C. via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Shawn, > > It sounds like you don't have a genoa track. Look at this: > > https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B_sb5TfIENvsb1FWampMNVpnSGM > > The short track by the shrouds is our jib track. That's for our 95% jib. > > Further aft is a longer track which is our genoa track for our 125% and > larger sails. If you don't have a genoa track then you are only capable of > rigging your sheet to the toe rail. If so, then your configuration is what > we call our outboard sheet. Hence my comment of returning to an original > configuration. > > Dennis C. > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 8:46 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Dennis, thanks for the detailed info. I'm trying to understand picture it >> all, but am unclear on which sheet goes through the snatch block on the >> rail? I have genoa tracks on the side deck but they are used for the inner >> 95% jib. The outer genoa uses blocks on the toerail, which I haven't tried >> relocating, although I do have a few snatch blocks I could add forward to >> try to approximate the effect you're describing (I think). >> How do you attach the outboard sheet to the clew once on a reach? Do you >> have to luff up to do this? With our current arrangement, I know that I am >> losing a lot of power with the genoa, but am not always sure how to fix it, >> especially single handed. I suspect the genoa blocks are too far back on >> the toerail for anything except close reach to close hauled, and when >> sheeted in tight, they pull the lifelines inward. >> >> -- >> Shawn Wright >> shawngwri...@gmail.com >> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35 >> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 4:45 PM Dennis C. via CnC-List < >> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >> >>> First, if you are racing, having the whisker pole on the same side as >>> the boom may be prohibited in certain jurisdictions. >>> >>> Barber hauling is a complicated configuration. Basically, you are >>> setting a triangle using two sheets to change location of the clew of the >>> genoa. Generally, "barber haulers" can be set to move the clew inboard or >>> outboard or forward (downward). Inhauls or inhaulers can be used to move >>> the clew inboard to decrease the sheeting angles. >>> >>> Rather than get too deep into all of that, on Touche' we simply use what >>> we call the "outboard sheet". Touche' has an inboard genoa track with line >>> adjustable genoa cars, as we steer more off the wind and ease the genoa >>> sheet, we move the car forward to keep the leech from twisting off. Our >>> trigger to rig the outboard sheet is when the genoa sheet is eased enough >>> that it begins to contact the upper lifeline. At that point we attach a >>> snatch block to the toe rail slightly FORWARD of directly below where the >>> genoa sheet crosses the toe rail. >>> >>> The outboard sheet has a snap shackle which we clip into the clew ring >>> or the soft shackle on the clew of the genoa. The tail is run to a >>> secondary winch. We can control the inboard/outboard location of the clew >>> by proportionally tensioning the primary sheet and the outboard sheet. >>> However, more often than not, we simply trim exclusively on the outboard >>> sheet. >>> >>> Our old C&C's like to "breathe". Opening the slot allows that. Also, >>> moving the lead forward as the sheet is eased keeps the leech from twisting >>> off and dumping power. Touche' loves reaching with the outboard sheet. In >>> fact, in one distance race we lost 1st place by 20 seconds. In retrospect, >>> I think it's because we didn't rig the outboard sheet or move the car >>> forward on a long reaching leg. >>> >>> One thing to keep in mind is that many of the older boats did not come >>> with an inboard track. Touche' had short pieces of toe rail on the deck >>> forward of the primary winches. It was listed as an option on the original >>> order as "Inside fairleads rails" $75. So, rigging an outboard sheet may >>> simply be returning to an original configuration. >>> >>> Dennis C. >>> Touche' 35-1 #83 >>> Mandeville, LA >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 2:49 PM David Knecht via CnC-List < >>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have been reading about Barber Haulers to help with reaching by >>>> getting the clew further outboard and keeping the leech from twisting off. >>>> I was thinking of a snatch block on the toe rail and a line snap shackled >>>> to the clew attachment point to accomplish this. However, I have also seen >>>> people using their whisker pole on the leeward side to hold the genoa clew >>>> outboard and up. Has anyone compared these options? The pole seems more >>>> of a hassle, but should be more effective. Dave >>>> >>>> S/V Aries >>>> 1990 C&C 34+ >>>> New London, CT >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. 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